Sequence that has a subsequence that converges towards any value in R

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying sequences that have subsequences converging to any value in the real numbers, exploring various constructions and properties of such sequences. The scope includes theoretical considerations and properties of dense sets in the context of real analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the sequence defined as the denumeration of the rationals is the only sequence with the desired property.
  • Another participant suggests that modifying the denumeration of the rationals by removing finite elements or adding infinitely many elements retains the property.
  • A participant proposes a denumeration of rationals of the form n/2^k as another example that works.
  • There is a query about the existence of sequences unrelated to the denumeration of Q, leading to a discussion on the relationship between denseness and countability.
  • One participant mentions that integer multiples of a sequence converging to 0 form a countable dense set, but questions the generalization to multiples of any unbounded sequence.
  • Another participant claims that sequences converging to various rationals can be constructed, suggesting that almost any countable dense set can be used to create such sequences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of sequences that can achieve the desired convergence properties. While some examples are proposed, there is no consensus on whether there are sequences unrelated to the denumeration of Q or on the generalization of certain properties.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments depend on the definitions of density and countability, and there are unresolved questions regarding the generalization of certain sequences and their properties.

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Is the sequence defined as the denumeration of Q the only such sequence?
 
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No, you can take that sequence, and remove a finite number of elements or add infinitely many elements and it will have the same property.

A denumeration of the set of rationals of the form n/2^k for all n and [itex]k\geq 0[/itex] (ie all binary numbers with a finite number of digits) also works.
 
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True. I wonder then, is there such a sequence unrelated to the denumbering of Q?
 
Depends on what you mean by related. The method of showing denseness and countability will probably be very similar, so much in fact that you'd be inclined to say it's the same thing.

Another countable dense set of the reals is the set of all integer multiples of a sequence of reals converging to 0. Is that good enough? (I wonder if you could change "integer multiples" to multiples of any unbounded sequence*)

Edit: * No you can't. For example, [tex]\{1/2^n|n \in \mathbb Z\}\{2^n|n \in \mathbb Z\} = \{2^n|n\in\mathbb Z\}[/tex] which isn't dense in R.
 
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I believe (tan(n)) works.
 
there seem to be zilions of them. take any sequence ci=onverging to a given rational, and any sequence converging to another rational, and so on, and take them all.

or instead of the rationals take any countable dense set, eaSILY OBTAINED BY REPEATEDLY SUBDIVIDING THE REALS AT INTERVALS of irrational length, and the union of sequences converging to each one.shoot, almost anything works.
 

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