Series Solution for 2nd-Order Homogeneous ODE

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The discussion revolves around the series solution for a second-order homogeneous ordinary differential equation (ODE). Participants explore the relationship between solutions derived from the characteristic polynomial and those obtained through series expansion, addressing initial conditions and the representation of solutions in different bases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of a proposed solution, suggesting that the series solution satisfies specific initial conditions while another solution does not.
  • Another participant expresses difficulty in understanding why the series solution does not match the solution from the characteristic polynomial.
  • Some participants discuss the representation of the solution vector in two different bases, highlighting the relationship between the coefficients from the characteristic polynomial and those from the series solution.
  • There is a reiteration that different methods of solving the ODE may yield different bases, but for specific initial or boundary conditions, the solutions should align.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the relationship between different solution methods. While some points are clarified, there remains uncertainty about the exact nature of the solutions and their equivalence under certain conditions.

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Participants do not fully resolve the differences in understanding regarding the series solution and its comparison to the characteristic polynomial, indicating potential limitations in assumptions or definitions used in the discussion.

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Can someone please explain why the solution provided by the characteristic equation does not entirely match the series solution? Thanks.
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Why do you think it doesn't?

Your solution with a_0 = 1 and a_1 = 0 is a solution with y(0) = 1 and y'(0) = 0. e^x doesn't satisfy that, but e^x - xe^x = 1 + \sum_{n=1}^\infty \left(\frac1{n!} - \frac{1}{(n-1)!}\right)x^n = 1 + \sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1 -n}{n!}x^n does. Is that series familiar?

Alternatively, if you solve the recurrence relation for a_n you find that <br /> a_n = \frac{(a_1 - a_0)n + a_0}{n!}, and then it is easy to see that <br /> \sum_{n=0}^\infty a_nx^n = (a_1 - a_0)xe^x + a_0e^x.
 
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Thanks. This makes better sense to me. I am still admittedly having a difficult
time seeing why the series solution would not match exactly that provided by the characteristic polynomial.
 
You are representing a vector, y, with respect to two different bases. The first basis - the obvious one obtained from the characteristic polynomial - is \{e^x, xe^x\} and the components are c_1 and c_2. The second basis, obtained from the series solution - is \{e^x, e^x - xe^x\} and the components are a_0 and a_1. These components are related by <br /> \begin{pmatrix} c_1 \\ c_2 \end{pmatrix} = <br /> \begin{pmatrix} 1 &amp; 0 \\ -1 &amp; 1 \end{pmatrix}<br /> \begin{pmatrix} a_0 \\ a_1\end{pmatrix}. You should not expect different solution methods to give you exactly the same basis. However, for given initial or boundary conditions you should expect them to give the same solution.
 
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pasmith said:
You are representing a vector, y, with respect to two different bases. The first basis - the obvious one obtained from the characteristic polynomial - is \{e^x, xe^x\} and the components are c_1 and c_2. The second basis, obtained from the series solution - is \{e^x, e^x - xe^x\} and the components are a_0 and a_1. These components are related by <br /> \begin{pmatrix} c_1 \\ c_2 \end{pmatrix} =<br /> \begin{pmatrix} 1 &amp; 0 \\ -1 &amp; 1 \end{pmatrix}<br /> \begin{pmatrix} a_0 \\ a_1\end{pmatrix}. You should not expect different solution methods to give you exactly the same basis. However, for given initial or boundary conditions you should expect them to give the same solution.
pasmith said:
You are representing a vector, y, with respect to two different bases. The first basis - the obvious one obtained from the characteristic polynomial - is \{e^x, xe^x\} and the components are c_1 and c_2. The second basis, obtained from the series solution - is \{e^x, e^x - xe^x\} and the components are a_0 and a_1. These components are related by <br /> \begin{pmatrix} c_1 \\ c_2 \end{pmatrix} =<br /> \begin{pmatrix} 1 &amp; 0 \\ -1 &amp; 1 \end{pmatrix}<br /> \begin{pmatrix} a_0 \\ a_1\end{pmatrix}. You should not expect different solution methods to give you exactly the same basis. However, for given initial or boundary conditions you should expect them to give the same solution.
This makes full sense to me now. Thanks.
 

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