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The discussion revolves around the convergence of a series in the field of $p$-adic numbers, specifically addressing the conditions under which the series $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n$ converges given that the sequence $\{ a_n \}_{n \in \mathbb{N}}$ approaches zero. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of the Cauchy criterion in the context of $p$-adic analysis.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if $\lim_{n \to \infty} a_n = 0$, then the series $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n$ converges in $\mathbb{Q}_p$.
  • Others argue that to show convergence, one must demonstrate that the sequence of partial sums is Cauchy in $\mathbb{Q}_p$.
  • A participant explains that for a given $\varepsilon > 0$, one can choose $n_0$ such that $|a_n|_p < \varepsilon$ for all $n \ge n_0$, leading to the conclusion that the sum of terms from $n=k$ to $n=N$ is bounded by $\varepsilon$.
  • Another participant points out that the expression for the sum should exclude $|a_k|_p$ when considering the maximum of the terms in the sum.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that the property of convergence can be generalized, noting that $\mathbb{Q}_p$ is a complete metric space, and discusses the relationship between Cauchy sequences and completeness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of showing that the sequence of partial sums is Cauchy for establishing convergence. However, there are differing views on the specifics of the argument and the correct formulation of the expressions involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these formulations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the correct formulation of the sums and the conditions under which convergence is established. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of completeness in metric spaces without reaching a consensus on the original question.

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Hello! (Wave)

How can I show that in the field $\mathbb{Q}_p$ stands the following? (Thinking)

If $\{ a_n \}_{n \in \mathbb{N}}$ a sequence of elements in $\mathbb{Q}_p$ and $\lim_{n \to \infty} a_n=0$, then the series $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n$ converges.
 
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evinda said:
Hello! (Wave)

How can I show that in the field $\mathbb{Q}_p$ stands the following? (Thinking)

If $\{ a_n \}_{n \in \mathbb{N}}$ a sequence of elements in $\mathbb{Q}_p$ and $\lim_{n \to \infty} a_n=0$, then the series $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n$ converges.

Let $\varepsilon > 0$. Choose $n_0$ such that $|a_n|_p < \varepsilon$ for all $n \ge n_0$. Then for all $N$ and $k$ with $N > k \ge n_0$,

$$ \left|\sum_{n = k}^N a_n\right|_p \le \max\{|a_k|_p,|a_{k+1}|_p,\ldots, |a_N|_p\} < \varepsilon$$

What can you deduce from this?
 
Euge said:
Let $\varepsilon > 0$. Choose $n_0$ such that $|a_n|_p < \varepsilon$ for all $n \ge n_0$. Then for all $N$ and $k$ with $N > k \ge n_0$,

$$ \left|\sum_{n = k}^N a_n\right|_p \le \max\{|a_k|_p,|a_{k+1}|_p,\ldots, |a_N|_p\} < \varepsilon$$

What can you deduce from this?

Could you explain me why we take the sum from $n=k$ till $n=N$ ? (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
Could you explain me why we take the sum from $n=k$ till $n=N$ ? (Thinking)

The point is to show that the sequence of partial sums of the series $$\sum_{n = 1}^\infty a_n$$ is Cauchy in $$\Bbb Q_p$$.
 
Euge said:
The point is to show that the sequence of partial sums of the series $$\sum_{n = 1}^\infty a_n$$ is Cauchy in $$\Bbb Q_p$$.

So is it like that? (Thinking)
From $\lim_{n \to +\infty} a_n=0$ we get that , $\forall \epsilon>0 \ \exists n_0$ such that $\forall n \geq n_0$: $|a_n|_p< \epsilon$. Then , $\forall N>k \geq n_0$, we have:

$$\left |\sum_{n=1}^N a_n-\sum_{n=1}^k a_n \right |_p=\left | \sum_{n=k}^N a_n\right |_p \leq \max \{ |a_k|_p, |a_{k+1}|_p, \dots, |a_N|_p \}< \epsilon$$

Then , knowing that the sequence of partial sums of the infinite series converges in $\mathbb{Q}_p$,
from the Cauchy Criterion, we have that the infinite series converges in $\mathbb{Q}_p$.

(Thinking)
 
evinda said:
So is it like that? (Thinking)
From $\lim_{n \to +\infty} a_n=0$ we get that , $\forall \epsilon>0 \ \exists n_0$ such that $\forall n \geq n_0$: $|a_n|_p< \epsilon$. Then , $\forall N>k \geq n_0$, we have:

$$\left |\sum_{n=1}^N a_n-\sum_{n=1}^k a_n \right |_p=\left | \sum_{n=k}^N a_n\right |_p \leq \max \{ |a_k|_p, |a_{k+1}|_p, \dots, |a_N|_p \}< \epsilon$$

Then , knowing that the sequence of partial sums of the infinite series converges in $\mathbb{Q}_p$,
from the Cauchy Criterion, we have that the infinite series converges in $\mathbb{Q}_p$.

(Thinking)

That's good, but there are two small errors. The expression $|\sum_{n = k}^N a_n|_p$ should be $|\sum_{n = k+1}^N a_n|_p$, and so $|a_k|_p$ should be omitted in $\max\{|a_k|_p, |a_{k+1}|_p,\ldots, |a_N|_p\}$.
 
Euge said:
That's good, but there are two small errors. The expression $|\sum_{n = k}^N a_n|_p$ should be $|\sum_{n = k+1}^N a_n|_p$, and so $|a_k|_p$ should be omitted in $\max\{|a_k|_p, |a_{k+1}|_p,\ldots, |a_N|_p\}$.

Nice, thank you very much! (Smirk)
 
I should add here that this property can readily be generalized using a little topology. Not only this sequence you mention converge in $\mathbf{Q}_p$, but in fact all Cauchy sequence does, i.e., $\mathbf{Q}_p$ is a *complete* metric space.

To see how actually this happens, you need to see that $\mathbf{Q}_p$ can be realized as a metric completion of $\mathbf{Q}$ under the norm $|\bullet|_p$, instead of seeing it just as $\text{frac} \, \mathbf{Z}_p$, $\mathbf{Z_p}$ being $\lim \limits_{\longleftarrow} \mathbb{Z}/p^i$. The algebraic and topological definitions are indeed "isomorphic" in some sense but that requires some work (you can try it if you want)

Completion of a metric space $(X, d)$ in general is defined by adjoining to $X$ the limits of it's Cauchy sequence, denoted as $\overline{X}$. This is almost nearly (but not quite) obvious to see that $\overline{X}$ is complete, if you know a bit of point-set topology.

Note : This is merely a comment, not an answer to the original question asked.
 

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