Show that the set of the upper triangular matrices is a ring

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the set of upper triangular matrices, denoted as $T_n(\mathbb{K})$, and whether this set forms a ring under standard matrix addition and multiplication. Participants explore the necessary conditions for $T_n(\mathbb{K})$ to be classified as a ring, including closure under addition and multiplication, and the presence of an additive identity.

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  • Some participants propose that to show $T_n(\mathbb{K})$ is a ring, it suffices to demonstrate closure under addition and multiplication, and that the additive identity (the zero matrix) is included.
  • Others argue that since regular matrix multiplication over a field is a ring, it implies that $T_n(\mathbb{K})$ could be a subring, pending verification of closure properties.
  • Participants discuss the closure of $T_n(\mathbb{K})$ under addition, noting that the sum of two upper triangular matrices remains upper triangular.
  • There is a consensus that the closure under multiplication also holds, as the product of two upper triangular matrices is shown to be upper triangular.
  • Some participants clarify that the definition of a ring does not require a multiplicative identity, leading to the term "rng" for structures lacking this property.
  • Concerns are raised about the identity matrix and whether it is included in $T_n(\mathbb{K})$, with some noting that it is not necessary for the definition of a ring.
  • Participants explore the concept of a ring homomorphism and discuss the correctness of a proposed mapping $\phi_k$ from $T_n(\mathbb{K})$ to $\mathbb{K}$, with some suggesting improvements to the notation and formulation of the properties being verified.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the closure properties of $T_n(\mathbb{K})$ under addition and multiplication. However, there is ongoing debate regarding the necessity of a multiplicative identity in the context of rings versus rngs, and whether the identity matrix is included in $T_n(\mathbb{K})>.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and properties of rings and rngs, particularly concerning the identity matrix and the implications of the definitions provided. There are unresolved questions about the specific requirements for a structure to be classified as a ring.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners in mathematics, particularly those studying abstract algebra and matrix theory, as well as anyone interested in the properties of algebraic structures.

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Hey! :o

A set $R$ with two operations $+$ und $\cdot$ is a ring, if the following properties are satisfied:
  1. $(R, +)$ is a commutative/abelian group
  2. Associativity : For all $a,b, c \in R$ it holds that $(a \cdot b)\cdot c = a \cdot (b \cdot c)$.
  3. Distributive property : For all $a,b, c \in R$ it holds that $(a+b)\cdot c=a\cdot c+b\cdot c$ und $a \cdot (b + c)=a\cdot b+a\cdot c$.

Let $\mathbb{K}$ be a field.
We have the set $T_n(\mathbb{K})=\{A\in \mathbb{K}^{n\times n} \mid a_{ij}=0 \text{ für alle } i,j\in \{1, \ldots , n\} \text{ mit } i>j\}$.

I want to show that $T_n(\mathbb{K})$ is a ring with the addition and multiplication of matrices. How can we show the first property? (Wondering)

Let $A,B,C\in T_n(\mathbb{K})$.
To show the other two properties do we have to find the form of the element of the the resulting matrix at the position $ij$ ? (Wondering)
$$[(A \cdot B)\cdot C]_{ij}=( \sum_{k=1}^ma_{ik}b_{kj})c_{ij}$$
To what is this equal? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
How can we show the first property? (Wondering)

Hi mathmari! (Smile)

Don't we already know that regular matrix multiplication over a field is a ring (with multiplicative identity)? (Wondering)
So wouldn't it suffice to show that $T_n(\mathbb K)$ is a sub ring?
If so then we only need to verify if it is closed for addition and multiplication, and if the additive identity is an element.
Let $A,B,C\in T_n(\mathbb{K})$.
To show the other two properties do we have to find the form of the element of the the resulting matrix at the position $ij$ ? (Wondering)
$$[(A \cdot B)\cdot C]_{ij}=( \sum_{k=1}^ma_{ik}b_{kj})c_{ij}$$
To what is this equal? (Wondering)

Shouldn't that be:
$$[(A \cdot B)\cdot C]_{ij}=\sum_{l=1}\left(\sum_{k=1}^ma_{ik}b_{kl}\right)c_{lj}$$
(Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
If so then we only need to verify if it is closed for addition and multiplication, and if the additive identity is an element.

Ah ok...

Let $A,B\in T_n(\mathbb{K})$, i.e., $A,B$ are two upper triangular matrices. We have that the addition and the mutiplication of two upper triangular matrices is a triangular matrix, or not? Do we have to prove it? If so how? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Ah ok...

Let $A,B\in T_n(\mathbb{K})$, i.e., $A,B$ are two upper triangular matrices. We have that the addition and the mutiplication of two upper triangular matrices is a triangular matrix, or not? Do we have to prove it? If so how? (Wondering)

For addition it is trivial. We might say something like:

For any $A, B \in T_n(\mathbb{K})$, let $C=A+B$.
$C$ is given by $c_{ij}=a_{ij}+b_{ij}$, which is $0$ for all $i>j$.
Therefore $C \in T_n(\mathbb{K})$ and thus $T_n(\mathbb{K})$ is closed for addition.

We can prove closure for multiplication as follows:

For any $A, B \in T_n(\mathbb{K})$, let $C=AB$.
For $i>j$ it follows that:
$$c_{ij} = \sum_{k=1}^n a_{ik}b_{kj}
=\sum_{k=1}^{i-1} a_{ik}b_{kj} + \sum_{k=i}^n a_{ik}b_{kj}
=\sum_{k=1}^{i-1} 0\cdot b_{kj} + \sum_{k=i}^n a_{ik}\cdot 0 = 0
$$
Therefore $C \in T_n(\mathbb{K})$ and thus $T_n(\mathbb{K})$ is closed for multiplication.

The additive identity is the zero matrix, which is an element of $T_n(\mathbb{K})$.

Thus the proof is complete and $T_n(\mathbb{K})$ is a sub rng of $\mathbb{K}^{n\times n}$, and therefore a rng. (Nerd)
 
I like Serena said:
For addition it is trivial. We might say something like:

For any $A, B \in T_n(\mathbb{K})$, let $C=A+B$.
$C$ is given by $c_{ij}=a_{ij}+b_{ij}$, which is $0$ for all $i>j$.
Therefore $C \in T_n(\mathbb{K})$ and thus $T_n(\mathbb{K})$ is closed for addition.

We can prove closure for multiplication as follows:

For any $A, B \in T_n(\mathbb{K})$, let $C=AB$.
For $i>j$ it follows that:
$$c_{ij} = \sum_{k=1}^n a_{ik}b_{kj}
=\sum_{k=1}^{i-1} a_{ik}b_{kj} + \sum_{k=i}^n a_{ik}b_{kj}
=\sum_{k=1}^{i-1} 0\cdot b_{kj} + \sum_{k=i}^n a_{ik}\cdot 0 = 0
$$
Therefore $C \in T_n(\mathbb{K})$ and thus $T_n(\mathbb{K})$ is closed for multiplication.

I understand! (Happy) (Yes)
I like Serena said:
If so then we only need to verify if it is closed for addition and multiplication, and if the additive identity is an element.

I like Serena said:
The additive identity is the zero matrix, which is an element of $T_n(\mathbb{K})$.

Why do we have to check only if the additive identity of the matrix ring is an element of $T_n(\mathbb{K})$ and not also the multiplicative identity? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Why do we have to check only if the additive identity of the matrix ring is an element of $T_n(\mathbb{K})$ and not also the multiplicative identity? (Wondering)

Because your ring doesn't have a multiplicative identity! :eek:
Such a ring is also named rng instead to distinguish it.
See wikpedia.
 
I like Serena said:
Because your ring doesn't have a multiplicative identity! :eek:
Such a ring is also named rng instead to distinguish it.
See wikpedia.

Why doesn't it contain the identity matrix? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Why doesn't it contain the identity matrix? (Wondering)

Oh it contains the identity matrix all right.
It's just that it is not required according to the definition of a ring that you gave. (Smirk)
 
In general the matrix ring contains the multiplicative identity, the idenity matrix, or not? (Wondering)
But we don't have to show that $T_n(\mathbb{K})$ contains it because the definition of a ring doesn't require it, only the definition of a unit ring, right? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
In general the matrix ring contains the multiplicative identity, the idenity matrix, or not? (Wondering)
But we don't have to show that $T_n(\mathbb{K})$ contains it because the definition of a ring doesn't require it, only the definition of a unit ring, right? (Wondering)

Yep. (Nod)

Consider for instance $T'_n(\mathbb{K})=\{A\in \mathbb{K}^{n\times n} \mid a_{ij}=0 \text{ für alle } i,j\in \{1, \ldots , n\} \text{ mit } {\color{green} i\ge j}\}$.
I believe it's still a rng, but it doesn't have the identity matrix.
 
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I like Serena said:
Yep. (Nod)

Consider for instance $T'_n(\mathbb{K})=\{A\in \mathbb{K}^{n\times n} \mid a_{ij}=0 \text{ für alle } i,j\in \{1, \ldots , n\} \text{ mit } {\color{green} i\ge j}\}$.
I believe it's still a rng, but it doesn't have the identity matrix.

Ah ok... I see! (Smile) I want to show also that $\phi_k : T_n(\mathbb{K})\rightarrow \mathbb{K}, (a_{ij})\mapsto a_{kk}, \ k\in \{1, \ldots , n\}$ is a ring homomorphim, so we have to show that for elements $(a_{ij}), (b_{ij})\in T_n(\mathbb{K})$ the following holds:
$$\phi ((a+b)_{ij})=\phi (a_{ij})+\phi (b_{ij}) \\ \phi (a\cdot b)_{ij})=\phi (a_{ij})\cdot \phi (b_{ij})$$

We have the following:
$$\phi ((a +b)_{ij})=((a+b)_{kk})=(a_{kk})+(b_{kk})=\phi (a_{ij})+\phi (b_{ij}) \\ \phi ((a\cdot b)_{ij}))=((a\cdot b)_{kk})=(a_{kk})\cdot (b_{kk})=\phi (a_{ij})\cdot \phi (b_{ij})$$

Is this correct? Could I improve something? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
I want to show also that $\phi_k : T_n(\mathbb{K})\rightarrow \mathbb{K}, (a_{ij})\mapsto a_{kk}, \ k\in \{1, \ldots , n\}$ is a ring homomorphim, so we have to show that for elements $(a_{ij}), (b_{ij})\in T_n(\mathbb{K})$ the following holds:
$$\phi ((a+b)_{ij})=\phi (a_{ij})+\phi (b_{ij}) \\ \phi (a\cdot b)_{ij})=\phi (a_{ij})\cdot \phi (b_{ij})$$

We have the following:
$$\phi ((a +b)_{ij})=((a+b)_{kk})=(a_{kk})+(b_{kk})=\phi (a_{ij})+\phi (b_{ij}) \\ \phi ((a\cdot b)_{ij}))=((a\cdot b)_{kk})=(a_{kk})\cdot (b_{kk})=\phi (a_{ij})\cdot \phi (b_{ij})$$

Is this correct? Could I improve something? (Wondering)

I think we need $\phi_k$ everywhere instead of $\phi$.

And generally for matrices $((a\cdot b)_{kk})\ne(a_{kk})\cdot (b_{kk})$.
Instead we have:
$$(a\cdot b)_{kk} = \sum_{l=1}^n a_{kl}b_{lk}$$
(Thinking)
 
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I like Serena said:
I think we need $\phi_k$ everywhere instead of $\phi$.

And generally for matrices $((a\cdot b)_{kk})\ne(a_{kk})\cdot (b_{kk})$.
Instead we have:
$$(a\cdot b)_{kk} = \sum_{l=1}^n a_{kl}b_{lk}$$
(Thinking)

Ah ok...

$$\phi_k ((a +b)_{ij})=(a+b)_{kk}=a_{kk}+b_{kk}=\phi_k (a_{ij})+\phi_k (b_{ij})$$
This property is correct, isn't it? (Wondering)

$$\phi_k ((a\cdot b)_{ij}))=(a\cdot b)_{kk}=\sum_{l=1}^n a_{kl}b_{lk}=\sum_{l=1}^{k-1} a_{kl}b_{lk}+a_{kk}b_{kk}\sum_{l=k+1}^n a_{kl}b_{lk}=\sum_{l=1}^{k-1} 0b_{lk}+a_{kk}b_{kk}+\sum_{l=k}^n a_{kl}0=a_{kk}b_{kk}=\phi_k (a_{ij})\cdot \phi_k (b_{ij})$$

Is this correct now? (Wondering)
 
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There's a plus missing in the middle, next to $a_{kk}b_{kk}$, but other than that it looks fine! (Happy)
 
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I like Serena said:
There's a plus missing in the middle, next to $a_{kk}b_{kk}$, but other than that it looks fine! (Happy)

Oh yes... (Blush)

Thank you very much! (Happy)
 

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