Showing that a group acts freely and discretely on real plane

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that a group, represented by two generators, acts freely and discretely on the real plane, specifically focusing on the mathematical properties and implications of the group structure and its actions. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning related to group actions, orbits, and lattice structures.

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  • One participant notes that the generators of the group, defined by the relation ##aba = b##, lead to discrete orbits when applying the actions ##a(x,y) = (x,y+1)## and ##b(x,y) = (x+1,1-y)##.
  • Another participant observes that the action of the generator ##b## can be expressed as ##b^n(x,y) = (x+n,y)## if ##n## is odd and ##(x+n,1-y)## if ##n## is even, indicating a pattern in the orbit structure.
  • Some participants propose that all group elements can be represented in the form ##a^nb^m##, although there is uncertainty about the complete structure of the group elements.
  • A later reply suggests that the relation ##aba = b## allows for rewriting elements in terms of the generators, leading to the conclusion that all words can be expressed as ##b^na^m##.
  • Discussion includes the observation that the actions of ##a## and ##b^2## generate a lattice structure, indicating a free abelian group on two generators.
  • Participants explore the implications of the group's structure, including torsion-free properties and the nature of the action on the lattice.
  • Several problems are posed regarding the nature of the group's actions and their implications for the structure of the quotient space and potential torsion elements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the structure of the group and its actions, with no consensus reached on the complete characterization of the orbits or the implications of the group's properties. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of the actions and their effects on the lattice.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding of the group's structure and the relationships between the generators, indicating that assumptions about the group may affect their conclusions. The discussion involves unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on definitions of group actions.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying group theory, particularly in the context of group actions on geometric spaces, as well as students working on related homework problems in advanced mathematics.

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I want to show that group acts freely and discreetly on IR^2 but I am failing to see what the group looks like and I can't describe the orbits
So before I start I technically do now that the group I am dealing with is just a representation of the Klein bottle but I am not supposed to use that as a fact because the goal of the problem is to derive that information.

Problem:
Let G be a group of with two generators a and b such that aba = b. Show that formulas ## a(x,y) = (x,y+1) ## and ## b(x,y) = (x+1,1-y) ## determine a free and discrete action of G on ## \mathbb{R}^2 ##

So the problem I have is that I don't know what the relation of the generators gives me except that all strings of form ## aba ## are reduced to "b" and similarly for the inverses. I can see that any part of an orbit obtained by just applying "a" or "b" is going to be discrete but I don't know how to translate it to an arbitrary member of the group. I had an idea of showing that the orbit is discrete because both actions of generators can be represented as translations over the integer lattice for ## (x,y) ## and (x,-y) ## respectively, however this comes to bite me in the ass later as I need to show that there is no identification on the interior of the unit square so I really need to find a different way to calculate the orbit.

This is a HW problem so please don't give me full solutions immediately I am just in need of a hint or a nudge in a right direction
 
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I am sorry if I do not catch you in a right way, I observe
b^2(x,y)=(x+2,y)
 
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Um yes that is correct but it doesn't really help me, in general you can say that ##b^n(x,y) = (x+n,y) ## if n is odd and ##(x+n,1-y)## if n is even but without knowing the structure of the group elements I don't know how to calculate the whole orbit. I think that all members should be of the form ##a^nb^m## but I am not completely sure about it
 
kmitza said:
Um yes that is correct but it doesn't really help me, in general you can say that ##b^n(x,y) = (x+n,y) ## if n is odd and ##(x+n,1-y)## if n is even but without knowing the structure of the group elements I don't know how to calculate the whole orbit. I think that all members should be of the form ##a^nb^m## but I am not completely sure about it
Okay so immediately after writing my comment I think I figured it out :
$$aba = b \implies ab = ba^{-1} \text{ and } ba = a^{-1}b$$ so now if I have a string of the form ##aabb## I can write $$ aabb + aba^{-1}b = b a^{-1}a^{-1}b = ba^{-1}ba = bbaa$$ and similar for arbitrary strings so in fact all words are of the form ## b^na^m ##
 
kmitza said:
Um yes that is correct but it doesn't really help me, in general you can say that ##b^n(x,y) = (x+n,y) ## if n is odd and ##(x+n,1-y)## if n is even but without knowing the structure of the group elements I don't know how to calculate the whole orbit. I think that all members should be of the form ##a^nb^m## but I am not completely sure about it
b^{2n}(x,y)=(x+2n,y)
a and b^2 commute.
a^m b^{2n} (x,y)=(x+2n,y+m)
we observe
ba(x,y)=(x+1,-y)
a^m b^{2n}ba(x,y)=(x+2n+1,-y+m)
We have two sub rectangular lattices.
 
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##a## and ##b^2## generate a lattice with generators ##(0,1)## and ##(2,0)##. This is a free abelian group on two generators.

Conjugating elements of the lattice by ##b## gives another point in the lattice so any element of the group can be written in the form ## a^{m}b^{2n}## or ##(a^{m}b^{2n})b##

For instance ##ba=(bab^{−1})b## and ##(bab^{−1})## is an element of the lattice.

So every element of the group is either a pure translation by a lattice point or a lattice translation following the action of ##b##.

From this normal form, a direct calculation shows that the action is free.

The group permutes the squares that are bounded by the straight lines parallel to the x and y axes and have integer intercepts. For instance, ##b## shifts the unit square to the adjacent square to the right along the x axis. Note that it does this without fixing any boundary points.

Structurally, the group is an extension of a two dimensional lattice by the group with 2 elements.

##0→L^2→π→Z_2=π/L^2→0##

The element ##b## is a lift of the generator of ##Z_2## to ##π##.

Problem: Show that this group is torsion free i.e. it has no elements of finite order.

Problem: Show that the two free abelian subgroups generated by ##a## and ##a^{-1}b## give another description of the group as a split extension of ##Z## by ##Z##

##0→Z→π↔Z→0##

where the quotient ##Z## is generated by ##a^{-1}b## and the kernel is generated by ##a##. In technical language, ##π## is the semi-direct product of ##Z## with ##Z## in which the action of the quotient ##Z## on the kernel ##Z## by conjugation is multiplication by ##-1##.

Question: Does this description also show that the group is torsion free?

Problem: The action of ##b## on the lattice is the identity on ##(2,0)## and negation on ##(0,1)##.
Suppose instead that the action was negation of both basis vectors. Would the group still act on the plane freely? Would the group still be torsion free?

Same question if the action of ##b## is the identity on ##(2,0)## and maps ##(0,1)## to ##(2,-1)##.

Problem: The quotient space of the plane by the action of the lattice generated by the translations ##(0,1)## and ##(2,0)## is a torus. Show that the action of ##b## on the plane projects to a properly discontinuous involution (map of order 2) of the torus.

Problem: Construct a torsion free extension of the standard 3 dimensional lattice in ##R^3## by the group ##Z_2×Z_2## whose action by conjugation on the lattice is ##(x,y,z)→(-x,-y,z)## and ##(x,y,z)→(-x,y,-z)## and the product ##(x,-y,-z)##
 
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