Showing that Yang-Mills equations transform homogeneousy

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The discussion revolves around the transformation properties of the Yang-Mills equations, specifically the differential equation $$D \star F = 0$$ under the adjoint action of a Lie group. Participants explore the implications of these transformations and the behavior of various terms involved in the equations, focusing on the covariant exterior derivative and its components.

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  • One participant seeks to demonstrate that the differential $$D \star F$$ transforms homogeneously under the adjoint action $$F \mapsto gFg^{-1}$$ and questions whether a specific term in the transformation becomes zero.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the meaning of the star operator and the wedge product, indicating a lack of familiarity with these concepts.
  • A different participant suggests that the issue may lie within the SU(N) part of the equations, providing transformation rules for the gauge fields and the field strength tensor, while also noting the need to check the transformation properties of the covariant derivative.
  • Some participants indicate they are reviewing their notes or previous work to contribute to the discussion, suggesting a collaborative effort to clarify the problem.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the transformation properties or the specific term in question. There are multiple viewpoints and uncertainties expressed regarding the mathematical details and implications of the transformations.

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Some participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of certain mathematical concepts, such as the star operator and wedge products, which may affect their contributions to the discussion.

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Hi! I'm trying to show that the differential from equation
$$D \star F = 0$$ transform homogeneously under the adjoint action ##F \mapsto gFg^{-1}## of the lie group ##G##, where ##D## denotes the covariant exterior derivative ##D\alpha = d \alpha + A \wedge \alpha## for some lie algebra valued form ##\alpha##. Since
$$A \mapsto gAg^{-1} + gdg^{-1}$$
we get
$$D\star F \mapsto d(g\star Fg^{-1}) + (A \mapsto gAg^{-1} + gdg^{-1})\wedge \star F = dg \wedge \star F g^{-1} + g d\star F g^{-1} + g \star F \wedge dg^{-1} + g A \wedge \star F g^{-1} + g dg^{-1} \wedge g^{-1} \star F g^{-1}$$
where if we use that ##gdg^{-1} = - (dg) g^{-1}##, then the last term seem to cancel the first. However, if this is correct, then the third term has to be zero.

Is the third term zero, and if so why?

Am I going wrong somewhere else?
 
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center o bass said:
Hi! I'm trying to show that the differential from equation
$$D \star F = 0$$ transform homogeneously under the adjoint action ##F \mapsto gFg^{-1}## of the lie group ##G##, where ##D## denotes the covariant exterior derivative ##D\alpha = d \alpha + A \wedge \alpha## for some lie algebra valued form ##\alpha##. Since
$$A \mapsto gAg^{-1} + gdg^{-1}$$
we get
$$D\star F \mapsto d(g\star Fg^{-1}) + (A \mapsto gAg^{-1} + gdg^{-1})\wedge \star F = dg \wedge \star F g^{-1} + g d\star F g^{-1} + g \star F \wedge dg^{-1} + g A \wedge \star F g^{-1} + g dg^{-1} \wedge g^{-1} \star F g^{-1}$$
where if we use that ##gdg^{-1} = - (dg) g^{-1}##, then the last term seem to cancel the first. However, if this is correct, then the third term has to be zero.

Is the third term zero, and if so why?

Am I going wrong somewhere else?

Let me try it out :)
[itex]D \star F=0[/itex]
or
[itex]d \star F + A \wedge \star F = 0[/itex]

Now make the mappings of [itex]D \star F[/itex]...

[itex]d(g \star Fg^{-1}) + (gAg^{-1} + g dg^{-1}) \wedge \star gFg^{-1}[/itex]

I think here we reach different results... ?
I can't continue because I am not sure what star means... and I am not really familiar with the wedges...
 
I'll try to answer using very very old notes; hope the signs and details a correct. I start w/o using forms. I think the problem is not in the exterior derivative but in the su(n) part. In the following F and A are su(N) matrices, g is an SU(N) group element and the commutators [.,.] always refer to the su(N) matrices.

We have the following transformations:

[tex]A_\mu \to A_\mu^\prime = g\,(A_\mu + i\partial_\mu)\,g^\dagger[/tex]
[tex]F_{\mu\nu} \to F_{\mu\nu}^\prime = g\,F_{\mu\nu}\,g^\dagger[/tex]

As far as I remember the covariant derivative of F is defined as

[tex](DF)^\nu = \partial_\mu F^{\mu\nu} - i [A_\mu,F^{\mu\nu}][/tex]

Now we have to check the transformation properties of DF:

[tex](DF)^\nu \to {(DF)^\prime}^\nu = \partial_\mu (g\,F^{\mu\nu}\,g^\dagger) -i[g\,A_\mu\,g^\dagger + ig\,\partial_\mu\,g^\dagger, g\,F^{\mu\nu}\,g^\dagger][/tex]

I hope this Ansatz helps ...
 
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