Signs in the Field-Theoretic Euler-Lagrange Equation

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The discussion centers on the differences in sign conventions between the Euler-Lagrange equations for a flexible vibrating string and a scalar field. The first equation derived from the string's Lagrangian density shows that both time-varying and space-varying terms have the same sign, while the scalar field's Lagrangian density leads to opposite signs for these terms. This discrepancy raises questions about the treatment of covariant and contravariant components in the context of field theory. The participant expresses a need to revisit foundational concepts related to these mathematical structures.

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So I have this book that considers the problem of a flexible vibrating string, taking [itex]\phi(x,t)[/itex] as the string's displacement from equilibrium. It then writes a Lagrangian density in terms of this [itex]\phi[/itex], takes [itex]\delta \mathcal{S} = 0[/itex], and eventually concludes that [itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial t}(\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \dot{\phi}}) + \frac{\partial}{\partial x}(\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \phi'}) = 0[/itex]. Notice that the time-varying and space-varying terms have the same sign.

Two pages later, it considers a scalar field [itex]\phi(x^0,\mathbf{x})[/itex] with a Lagrangian density [itex]\mathcal{L}=\mathcal{L}(\phi,\partial_\mu\phi)[/itex], and concludes that [itex]\frac{\partial\mathcal{L}}{\partial\phi}-\partial_\mu(\frac{\partial\mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_\mu\phi)})=0[/itex]. Now, unless I am having some massive brain fart on how covariant and contravariant work, the time-varying and space-varying terms have opposite signs. Right?

What gives? Why are the signs different between these two situations?
 
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[tex]\partial_{\mu} \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_{\mu} \phi)}[/tex]
the temporal and spatial components have the same sign. How do you come to the conclusion that might be not so?

The same is true for the four-dimensional divergence.
[tex]\partial_{\mu} A^{\mu}=\frac{\partial A^{\mu}}{\partial x^{\mu}}=\frac{\partial A^0}{\partial t} + \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A},[/tex]
where I've used natural units, [itex]c=1[/itex], and [itex]x^0=t[/itex].
 
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Thanks. It's clearly been too long since I've done anything with covariant and contravariant vectors. I need to go back and refresh before jumping back into this stuff.
 

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