Simple Exercise Involving the Algebra of Limits

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The discussion centers on the reasoning and analysis presented in Exercise 4.5 of Wrede and Spiegel's "Advanced Calculus," particularly regarding the algebra of limits. Participants explore the implications of limit existence in the context of sums and products of functions, raising questions about the validity of the authors' conclusions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter expresses concern about W&S's reasoning, questioning the justification for concluding that the limit of a sum does not exist if one of the component limits does not exist.
  • Peter draws a parallel to the limit of a product, suggesting that similar reasoning could lead to incorrect conclusions about limits that are known to exist.
  • Euge proposes that if the limit of one function exists, then the existence of the limit of another function leads to a contradiction, supporting W&S's reasoning through indirect reasoning.
  • Peter acknowledges initial confusion but later reflects that his reasoning was flawed and aligns more with Euge's explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reveals that participants do not fully agree on the application of the algebra of limits. While some support W&S's reasoning, others, like Peter, initially question its validity but later find clarity in the reasoning presented by Euge.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding the conditions under which limits exist and the implications of applying limit theorems. There is an acknowledgment of the potential for flawed reasoning when drawing parallels between different limit scenarios.

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This discussion may be useful for students and educators in advanced calculus, particularly those interested in the nuances of limit theorems and their applications in mathematical reasoning.

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I need some help in understanding the reasoning and analysis in the solution to Exercise 4.5 in Robert C. Wrede and Murray Spiegel's (W&S) book: "Advanced Calculus" (Schaum's Outlines Series).

Exercise 4.5 in W&S reads as follows:
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The reasoning/analysis that bothers me is when Wrede and Spiegel (W&S) write:

" ... ... Since

$$ \lim_{x \to 0} f'(x) = \lim_{x \to 0} ( - \cos \frac{1}{x} + 2x \sin \frac{1}{x} )$$does not exist (because $$\lim_{x \to o} \cos \frac{1}{x}$$ does not exist), ... ... "

The reasoning (despite its apparent plausibility) worries me ...

The reason this bothers me is that the above reasoning seems to draw on a theorem concerning the algebra of limits in a mistaken way. The particular theorem concerned states that the limit of a sum of functions is the sum of the limits ... ... indeed the theorem on the algebra of limits in W&S reads as follows:
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BUT ... ... note that the theorem regarding the sum of limits assumes that the limit of $$f(x)$$ and the limit of $$g(x)$$ both exist when $$x \rightarrow x_0$$ and then states that

$$\lim_{x \to x_0} ( f(x) + g(x) )$$

$$= \lim_{x \to x_0} f(x) + \lim_{x \to x_0} g(x)$$

$$= A + B $$

The way W&S use this theorem in Ex 4.5 above seems to be to say that if the

$$\lim_{x \to x_0} f(x)$$

does not exist then the limit of the sum does not exist ... ... but what is the exact/rigorous justification for this? ... ... it does not seem to follow the theorem I have quoted ... ...

(Mind you, as I have indicated above, what they say sounds eminently reasonable ... intuitively speaking ... !?)One of the reasons for my caution regarding W&S's reasoning in Exercise 4.5 is that I began thinking of the known limit:

$$\lim_{x \to 0} x \sin \frac{1}{x} = 0
$$

If we took

$$f(x) = x$$ and $$g(x) = \sin \frac{1}{x}$$

and then applied the same reasoning as W&S above (although now applied to the limit of a product rather than the limit of a sum) then we could, I think, argue that because

$$\lim_{x \to 0} g(x) $$

$$= \lim_{x \to 0} \sin \frac{1}{x}
$$

does not exist, then neither does the limit of the product

$$\lim_{x \to 0} f(x) g(x)$$

$$= \lim_{x \to 0} x \sin \frac{1}{x}
$$

But we know that

$$\lim_{x \to 0} x \sin \frac{1}{x} = 0$$ !However, surely this is the same reasoning as W&S apply to Exercise 4.5? Isn't it?Can someone please clarify the above?

Peter
 
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Hi Peter,

If the limit $\lim_{x\to 0} f(x)$ exists, then since $\lim_{x\to 0} 2x\sin \frac{1}{x}$ exists, Rule #2 implies $\lim_{x\to 0} \cos \frac{1}{x}$ exists, a contradiction. So, through indirect reasoning, we can see why the author made that comment (note: you were trying to use direct reasoning).
 
Euge said:
Hi Peter,

If the limit $\lim_{x\to 0} f(x)$ exists, then since $\lim_{x\to 0} 2x\sin \frac{1}{x}$ exists, Rule #2 implies $\lim_{x\to 0} \cos \frac{1}{x}$ exists, a contradiction. So, through indirect reasoning, we can see why the author made that comment (note: you were trying to use direct reasoning).
Thanks Euge ...

Refelecting on this ... Trying to follow your post ... but having some trouble so far ...

Peter
 
Peter, please let me know where you're having trouble so I can assist you.
 
Euge said:
Peter, please let me know where you're having trouble so I can assist you.

Thanks so much for your concern, Euge ... ...

However, after more reflection, I now follow your reasoning (which was pretty plausible anyway ... )

I was initially worried that what I thought was similar reasoning in the case of

$$\lim_{x \to 0} x \sin \frac{1}{x} = 0 $$

led to a wrong conclusion ... but I now see that this case is different ... the logic I was using was flawed and not the same as you used ... ...

Thanks again for your concern ... I really appreciate your help and support ...

Peter
 

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