Simplification of a rational polynomial function

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The discussion revolves around the simplification of rational polynomial functions, specifically examining the implications of simplification on the definition and behavior of functions. Participants explore whether simplification is significant and how it affects solutions and discontinuities.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that simplification of a function, such as y=(ab+ac)/a to y=b+c, is not significant because the original function is not defined for a=0, while the simplified function is.
  • Others contend that simplification is significant, as it changes the number of solutions available, citing that the original function can yield two solutions while the simplified form yields only one.
  • There is a discussion about the function y=((x+1))/((x+1)(x-1)), with some participants stating it has two vertical asymptotes, while others clarify that x=-1 is a removable discontinuity, not an asymptote.
  • Participants question whether the functions y=((x+1))/((x+1)(x-1)) and y=1/(x-1) are equal or equivalent, leading to further exploration of the concept of removable discontinuity.
  • One participant describes removable discontinuity as a hole in the graph, suggesting it is a concept taught in earlier mathematics courses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the significance of simplification and the nature of discontinuities in rational functions. There is no consensus on whether simplification is significant or the implications of removable discontinuities.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the original function and its simplified form have different domains, which affects their equivalence. The discussion also touches on the definitions and implications of vertical asymptotes versus removable discontinuities, indicating a need for careful consideration of these concepts.

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This discussion may be useful for students and educators in mathematics, particularly those studying rational functions, simplification, and discontinuities.

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Now if I have a function y=(ab+ac)/a, it can be further factorised, y=(a(b+c))/a. Now if we cancel off the a, we will have only y=b+c that will also give the same y-values as the original form of the function y with respect to the same x-value. This statement implies that cancellation or simplification of a rational function is NOT SIGNIFICANT.
However, when we let the y-value equal to 0, for the simplified form,y=b+c, we have only one solution, (b+c)=0. For the original form, y=(a(b+c))/a, we can have 2 solutions ,(a)(b+c)=0,so (a)=0 or (b+c)=0. This shows that simplification of a function is SIGNIFICANT!
Moreover, when we have a function, y=((x+1))/((x+1)(x-1)). Apparently, we can see that this rational polynomial function have 2 vertical asymptotes: x=1 and x=-1 in which at this line, the y-value is undefined! Now if we simplify the function to y=1/(x-1), when x=-1,y=-1/2 which is a definite value!
So , is that simplification of a function is significant or not significant??
 
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Yh Hoo said:
Now if I have a function y=(ab+ac)/a, it can be further factorised, y=(a(b+c))/a. Now if we cancel off the a, we will have only y=b+c that will also give the same y-values as the original form of the function y with respect to the same x-value. This statement implies that cancellation or simplification of a rational function is NOT SIGNIFICANT.



This is not accurate: the original function is not defined in a, whereas the function [itex]\,y=b+c\,[/itex] is, thus they both are different functions as they don't have the same definition set.




However, when we let the y-value equal to 0, for the simplified form,y=b+c, we have only one solution, (b+c)=0. For the original form, y=(a(b+c))/a, we can have 2 solutions ,(a)(b+c)=0,so (a)=0 or (b+c)=0. This shows that simplification of a function is SIGNIFICANT!



This is wrong: a = 0 cannot be argument of the original function as was seen above. The only solution in both cases is [itex]\,b+c=0\,[/itex]





Moreover, when we have a function, y=((x+1))/((x+1)(x-1)). Apparently, we can see that this rational polynomial function have 2 vertical asymptotes: x=1 and x=-1 in which at this line, the y-value is undefined! Now if we simplify the function to y=1/(x-1), when x=-1,y=-1/2 which is a definite value! [\QUOTE]




Again, much more care is required here: it is not true that both [itex]\,x=1\,,\,x=-1\,[/itex] are vertical asymptotes: only the first

one is. The other value [itex]\,x=-1\,[/itex] is what's called a removable discontinuity , not an asymptote.

DonAntonio


So , is that simplification of a function is significant or not significant??
 
DonAntonio said:
This is not accurate: the original function is not defined in a, whereas the function [itex]\,y=b+c\,[/itex] is, thus they both are different functions as they don't have the same definition set.

DonAntonio

Thanks for your reply. Now, Let’s look at this function again. y=((x+1))/((x+1)(x-1)) . Aren’t this function can be simplified by multiplying both the numerator and denominator by 1/((x+1) ) ?? So this y=((x+1))/((x+1)(x-1)) = 1/(x-1). Is it true?? Are this 2 function equal and equivalent? or just equivalent but not equal??

And what is actually mean by"removable discontinuity" and what is the principle of that?? For the function y=((x+1))/((x+1)(x-1)), when the x-value are very very close to -1 ,but not yet equal to-1, it can either be -1.0000...000...01 or -0.999...999...999, the function will give a y-value that is approximately equal to -0.5, but at exactly x=-1, the function is undefined! now what should be plotted on the graph of y=((x+1))/((x+1)(x-1)) when x=-1?? and sudden broken on the functional curve??
 
Yh Hoo said:
Thanks for your reply. Now, Let’s look at this function again. y=((x+1))/((x+1)(x-1)) . Aren’t this function can be simplified by multiplying both the numerator and denominator by 1/((x+1) ) ?? So this y=((x+1))/((x+1)(x-1)) = 1/(x-1). Is it true?? Are this 2 function equal and equivalent? or just equivalent but not equal??



Ok, what is true is [itex]\displaystyle{\,y=\frac{x+1}{(x+1)(x-1)}=\left\{\begin{array}{cc}\frac{1}{x-1}\,&\,,x\neq -1\\UNDEFINED\,&\,,x=-1\end{array}\right.}[/itex]



And what is actually mean by"removable discontinuity" and what is the principle of that??



If you haven't yet studied then your confusion is understandable so wait a little.





For the function y=((x+1))/((x+1)(x-1)), when the x-value are very very close to -1 ,but not yet equal to-1, it can either be -1.0000...000...01 or -0.999...999...999, the function will give a y-value that is approximately equal to -0.5, but at exactly x=-1, the function is undefined! now what should be plotted on the graph of y=((x+1))/((x+1)(x-1)) when x=-1?? and sudden broken on the functional curve??

DonAntonio
 

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