Simplifying the Argument of a Complex Number

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The discussion revolves around simplifying the argument of a complex number, specifically the expression $$\arg \left(\frac{1+z^2}{1 + \bar z^{2}}\right)$$ where $$z = x + iy$$. Participants explore various identities and properties of complex numbers, particularly focusing on the implications of the modulus being equal to one.

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  • Participants discuss the use of identities related to the argument of complex numbers, such as the relationship between $$\arg(z)$$ and $$\arg(\bar{z})$$. There are attempts to express the argument in terms of trigonometric functions and exponential forms. Some participants question how to relate $$\arg(1+z^2)$$ to $$\arg(z^2)$$ and the implications of the modulus condition $$|z|=1$$.

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The discussion is active with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the relationships between the arguments and the implications of the modulus condition. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being developed, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants note that the arguments are defined within a specific range to maintain continuity, and there are discussions about the potential for multiple valid answers based on the given conditions. The complexity of the problem is acknowledged, with references to potential errors in initial assumptions and calculations.

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arg (ab) = arg (a) + arg (b)

arg(a/b) = arg (a) - arg (b)
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Let z = x + iy

$$\arg \left(\frac{1+z^2}{1 + \bar z^{2}}\right)=\arg (1+z^2) - \arg (1 + \bar z^{2})$$
$$=\arg (1+x^2+i2xy-y^2)-\arg(1+x^2-i2xy+y^2)$$

Then I stuck.

I also tried:
$$\frac{1+z^2}{1 + \bar z^{2}}=\frac{1+x^2+i2xy-y^2}{1+x^2-i2xy+y^2}$$

But also stuck

How to do this question? Thanks
 
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Your first identity needs to adjust if the sum of arguments is larger than $$2\pi$$.
 
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I think one helpful identity would be that $$\arg \bar z+\arg z=\arg(z\bar z)=\arg(|z|^2)=0 \pmod {2\pi}\Rightarrow \arg \bar z=2\pi-\arg z$$ and also $$\arg (z^n)=n\arg z \pmod {2\pi}$$.

But I can't figure out how we going to relate ##\arg (1+z^2)## to ##\arg(z^2)## I think here we must use the given fact that ##|z|=1## somehow...
 
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Delta2 said:
I think one helpful identity would be that $$\arg \bar z+\arg z=\arg(z\bar z)=\arg(|z|^2)=0\Rightarrow \arg \bar z=-\arg z$$ and also $$\arg (z^n)=n\arg z$$.

But I can't figure out how we going to relate ##\arg (1+z^2)## to ##\arg(z^2)## I think here we must use the given fact that ##|z|=1## somehow...
Remember that standard arguments, at least in my experience, have a " scope" of $$2\pi$$, so that, if, e.g., arg(z)=$$\pi$$, then arg##z^4 \neq 4\pi##
 
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yes right I think the arithmetic with arguments is modulo ##2\pi## right?
 
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Another idea since ##|z|=1## to set ##z=e^{i\phi}##, ##\bar z=e^{-i\phi}## ##\frac{\pi}{6}\leq\phi\leq\frac{\pi}{3}## and see how far you can get with that fraction...
 
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Makes me think about the double angle formulae.
 
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I solved this by setting ##z=e^{i\phi}=\cos\phi+i\sin\phi## and working through complex algebra and trigonometry, but the possible answers match more than one. Does the question allows for this?
 
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If the argument is between 30 and 60 degrees, and the length is one, can we assume the given complex number is oriented at 45 degress and real and complex coefficients are same? (What’s their length?)

Once you get z in explicit form by the above method you will have the answer, and then you can manipulate your algebra to get that correct answer.
 
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Delta2 said:
the possible answers match more than one. Does the question allows for this?
It looks like this is the case, yes.
 
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  • #11
Arguments are defined in $$[a, a+2\pi)$$ in order to be continuous, or even well-defined, as $$ e^{\theta}=e^{\theta + 2\pi} $$ for any Real a. It took me a while to understand that's what was meant by a 'Branch" : a local inverse of the Exponential $exp z$. Wish I had known it earlier, it would have saved me a lot of time!
 
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  • #12
From Post #1:
songoku said:
Let z = x + iy

$$\arg \left(\frac{1+z^2}{1 + \bar z^{2}}\right)=\arg (1+z^2) - \arg (1 + \bar z^{2})$$
$$=\arg (1+x^2+i2xy-y^2)-\arg(1+x^2-i2xy+y^2)$$

Then I stuck.

I also tried:
$$\frac{1+z^2}{1 + \bar z^{2}}=\frac{1+x^2+i2xy-y^2}{1+x^2-i2xy+y^2}$$

But also stuck

How to do this question? Thanks
You have some errors here.
If ##z=x+iy##, then ##\bar z=x-iy##, but ##(x-iy)^2=x^2 -2ixy-y^2##.

Also, ##|z|=1 \text{, so } x^2+y^2=1\text{, i.e. } 1-y^2 =x^2## .

Using this in ##1+z^2## gives ##2x^2+i2xy##, right?

Factor out ##2x##.

Similarly for the denominator.
 
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  • #13
WWGD said:
Remember that standard arguments, at least in my experience, have a " scope" of $$2\pi$$, so that, if, e.g., arg(z)=$$\pi$$, then arg##z^4 \neq 4\pi##
I learn that the principle value of argument for complex number is ##-\pi < \theta \leq \pi##

Hall said:
If the argument is between 30 and 60 degrees, and the length is one, can we assume the given complex number is oriented at 45 degress and real and complex coefficients are same? (What’s their length?)
I don't think we can assume that

Delta2 said:
I solved this by setting ##z=e^{i\phi}=\cos\phi+i\sin\phi## and working through complex algebra and trigonometry, but the possible answers match more than one. Does the question allows for this?
SammyS said:
From Post #1:

You have some errors here.
If ##z=x+iy##, then ##\bar z=x-iy##, but ##(x-iy)^2=x^2 -2ixy-y^2##.

Also, ##|z|=1 \text{, so } x^2+y^2=1\text{, i.e. } 1-y^2 =x^2## .

Using this in ##1+z^2## gives ##2x^2+i2xy##, right?

Factor out ##2x##.

Similarly for the denominator.
I understand. I don't know whether the question allows more than one answer but I got that option (a), (b) and (c) can be the possible arguments.

Thanks you very much for the help and explanation WWGD, Delta2, pbuk, Hall, SammyS
 
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  • #14
I would let t=arg(z) then z=|z|exp(i t)=exp(i t)
$$\mathrm{arg}\left( \frac{1+z^2}{1+\bar{z}^2 }\right)=\mathrm{arg}\left( \frac{1+\exp(2i t)}{1+\exp(-2i t) }\right)$$
$$\mathrm{arg}\left( \frac{1+z^2}{1+\bar{z}^2 }\right)=\mathrm{arg}\left(\exp(2i t)\right)$$
 
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Since this is already solved …

We have ##\bar z (1+z^2) = z + \bar z## and therefore ##1+z^2 = (z + \bar z)/\bar z## (and similarly for ##1+\bar z^2 = (z+\bar z)/z##. It immediately follows that
$$
\frac{1+z^2}{1+\bar z^2} = \frac {z}{\bar z} = z^2,
$$
since ##z \bar z=1##. Consequently, we have
$$
\arg\left(\frac{1+z^2}{1+\bar z^2}\right) = 2\arg z.
$$
No parametrizations necessary.
 
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There is also a quite intuitive geometrical interpretation here based on the inscribed angle theorem.

Consider the circle of radius one in the complex plane centered at 1. Clearly, ##1+z^2## lies on this circle as |z|=1. The central angle between ##z^2## and the real line is 2 arg(z) and, since the origin is also on the circle, the inscribed angle between the real line and ##1+z^2## is half of this, ie, arg(z).

Since the denominator is the complex conjugate of the numerator, it directly follows that the argument of the ratio is 2 arg(z).
 
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  • #17
Orodruin said:
Since this is already solved …

We have ##\bar z (1+z^2) = z + \bar z## and therefore ##1+z^2 = (z + \bar z)/\bar z## (and similarly for ##1+\bar z^2 = (z+\bar z)/z##. It immediately follows that
$$
\frac{1+z^2}{1+\bar z^2} = \frac {z}{\bar z} = z^2,
$$
since ##z \bar z=1##. Consequently, we have
$$
\arg\left(\frac{1+z^2}{1+\bar z^2}\right) = 2\arg z.
$$
No parametrizations necessary.
Aha! Very good!
Another way to see that, EDIT It may be a little easier to see in the exponential form since |z|=1:
##(1+e^{i2\theta})/(1+e^{-i2\theta}) = (e^{i\theta}(e^{-i\theta}+e^{i\theta}))/(e^{-i\theta}(e^{i\theta}+e^{-i\theta})) = e^{i\theta}/e^{-i\theta} = e^{i2\theta}##
 
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FactChecker said:
Aha! Very good!
Another way to see that, since |z|=1, is:
##(1+e^{i2\theta})/(1+e^{-i2\theta}) = (e^{i\theta}(e^{-i\theta}+e^{i\theta}))/(e^{-i\theta}(e^{i\theta}+e^{-i\theta})) = e^{i\theta}/e^{-i\theta} = e^{2i\theta}##
I believe this is what #14 did, just not writing out the intermediate steps.
 
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  • #19
Oh, same idea, just somewhat simpler, using ##z\bar z = 1##:
$$
1+z^2 = z\bar z(1+z^2) = z(\bar z + z^2 \bar z) = z(z+\bar z).
$$
Now, ##z + \bar z## is real so ##\arg(1+z^2) = \arg(z)## (as long as ##z+\bar z \neq 0##).
 
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Orodruin said:
I believe this is what #14 did, just not writing out the intermediate steps.
Yes, I just realized that fact. I think it is a little easier to see in the exponential form and will edit it to make it clear that it is just a restatement.
 

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