Undergrad Simulation Hypothesis: How Will Touch Occur?

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The discussion centers on the implications of the simulation hypothesis regarding the nature of touch, questioning whether it would resemble interactions in computer games. Participants debate the validity of claims made by figures like Elon Musk and Neil deGrasse Tyson, arguing that their views lack scientific grounding and are based on speculative ideas rather than empirical evidence. The conversation highlights the complexity of simulating physical interactions, suggesting that even atomic collisions would need to be represented in a simulated universe. Critics assert that the hypothesis relies on several unproven assumptions, including the motives of advanced civilizations to create such simulations. Ultimately, the dialogue reflects skepticism about the simulation hypothesis and its philosophical implications.
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If the simulation hypothesis is really correct, then how will the touch occur (the person touches the other person)? How will the whole process go? In modern physics, it is simply the interaction of atoms.
 
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John2000 said:
If the simulation hypothesis is really correct, then ...
... it's not science.
 
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in simulation theory, will the touch be similar to a collision in computer games?
PeroK said:
... it's not science.
 
John2000 said:
in simulation theory, will the touch be similar to a collision in computer games?
Elon Musk said the universe is simulation. It's true?
 
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Science is not defined by "it's what Elon Musk said".
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Science is not defined by "it's what Elon Musk said".
but Neil Tyson also argued that our universe could be a simulation.
 
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I think the arguments are that it isn't possible to tell if it's a simulations, they are not arguments for a simulation.

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cosmik debris said:
I think the arguments are that it isn't possible to tell if it's a simulations, they are not arguments for a simulation.

Cheers

That said, if we're running on Windows, you'd imagine we would have experienced a reboot before now!
 
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John2000 said:
in simulation theory, will the touch be similar to a collision in computer games?
You need to think bigger. Or smaller, as it were.

In such a simulation, the very atoms would be simulated - including the atoms of air between you and the person you have not touched yet. Touching another person is the same kind of collision event as simply being in an atmosphere. You're experiencing countless trillions of collision events every microsecond.

Does that make it more clear how haptic (touch) sense would be simulated?
 
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John2000 said:
but Neil Tyson also argued that our universe could be a simulation.

You are engaging in an appeal to a perceived authority here. Both Tyson and especially Musk are known for hyperbolic speculation, however neither of these guys have had any insight into the Simulation Hypothesis. They are just copypasting the work of Nick Boström from 2002. The Simulation Hypothesis is stoner speculation. Sure, we've not yet discovered anything in the universe that is not computable, therefore one can extrapolate that one could maybe simulate a realistic physical universe. This however makes several assumptions: 1) That there'd be a motive for an EXTREMELY advanced Civilization to do such a thing 2) That it's physically possible and 3) That you are in one. It's lazy logic.
 
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Sure, we've not yet discovered anything in the universe that is not computable, therefore one can extrapolate that one could maybe simulate a realistic physical universe. This however makes several assumptions: 1) That there'd be a motive for an EXTREMELY advanced Civilization to do such a thing 2) That it's physically possible and 3) That you are in one. It's lazy logic.
Indeed. It is no more or less plausible than "God made the universe and keeps it ticking".
 
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That said, if we're running on Windows, you'd imagine we would have experienced a reboot before now!
Good call!
And things in our world are getting more superficial and more expensive all the time.
Which hints at we're running on an Apple computer. :smile:
 
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