So what units should i use with E=mc^2?

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The discussion centers on the appropriate units to use in the equation E=mc², exploring the relationships between different unit systems, such as SI and CGS, and how they affect the calculation of energy. Participants examine the implications of using various units for mass and velocity and their corresponding energy units.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions which units pair together in the equation E=mc², specifically asking about the outcome when using 300,000,000 m/s and 1 gram.
  • Another participant corrects the first by noting that the speed of light must be squared, leading to a unit of g m²/s², which is not joules.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether "quantities" refers to proper prefixes, expressing uncertainty about metric prefixes.
  • Discussion includes the assertion that MKS (meters, kilograms, seconds) and CGS (centimeters, grams, seconds) are valid unit systems for energy calculations.
  • One participant explains that while SI units use kilograms as the base unit of mass, any valid units of mass and velocity can be used in E=mc², as long as the units are tracked properly.
  • The concept of foot-pounds as a measure of energy is introduced, highlighting the use of imperial units in energy calculations.
  • There is an emphasis on the need to understand the definitions of units like joules and ergs to discuss energy meaningfully.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriate units to use, with no consensus reached on a singular approach. There is acknowledgment of multiple valid unit systems, but uncertainty remains regarding the best practices for unit pairing in calculations.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings about unit prefixes and the necessity of understanding the definitions of energy units in different systems.

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I guess this is a question about what units to use in any equation. Which ones pair together. If you use 300,000,000 m/s and 1 gram in e=mc^2, you will get 300,000,000, but what unit? Joules? How do you know which to use and which ones pair together?
 
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First, you didn't square c. You would get 9\times 10^{16} \text{ g m}^2/\text{s}^2. Which isn't joules. You pair units up the same way you would for E = mv^2/2. You use kilograms and meters per second and you get joules for energy.

You know what quantities to use when using SI units, right?
 
Oh crap your right, forgot to square. By quantities do you mean the proper prefixes? I know liters, meters, seconds, grams, joules and so on are all associated with metric. If you mean prefixes, then no, i guess that is my question.
 
Meters, kilograms, seconds, and joules go together. These are MKS or SI units.

So do centimeters, grams, seconds, and ergs. These are CGS or Gaussian units.
 
Even though it has a prefix, all quantities calculated with SI use kilograms as the base unit of mass. So a joule is defined as being measured equivalent to kilograms x meters^2/seconds^2.

In real life, you can use any valid units of mass and velocity in E=mc^2 and get a meaningful result. Just keep track of what units you used and don't throw them away. You can measure mass in terms of pounds and velocity in terms of feet per second, and you'd say the energy is measured in terms of pounds feet^2/second^2. As it happens, this combination of units does have a name: it's called a foot-pound. (Why is it called a foot-pound? Because imperial units use "pound" for both mass and force. Sometimes the latter is abbreviated lbf. to say pounds of force. A pound of force applied through one foot is a measure of energy, the foot-pound.)

But really, in order to talk about quantities like energy in terms of nice units (like joules or ergs), you need to have some understanding of what those mean in terms of a small base of units like meters, kilograms, seconds, and so on.
 

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