Solutions of the ODEs - 2 first order linear equations

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The discussion revolves around finding the general solution of a system of two first-order linear ordinary differential equations (ODEs) given as $\check{X_1}=X_1$ and $\check{X_2}=aX_2$, where $a$ is a constant. Participants explore the interpretation of the notation and the methods for solving these equations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially presents the equations but uses a notation that others find unclear, leading to questions about the meaning of the symbols.
  • Another participant clarifies that the notation represents first derivatives, not second derivatives, and suggests that the equations can be solved separately.
  • Participants discuss the characteristic equations derived from the ODEs, with one participant questioning the origin of the equations and whether they are from a Differential Equations class.
  • There is a suggestion to integrate both sides of the equations to find the general solutions, with references to the form of the solutions involving exponential functions.
  • A proposed solution is presented in matrix form, which is then checked for correctness by another participant, who confirms that it satisfies the original equations.
  • One participant expresses a preference for not using "X1" as a constant in a function already named "X1(t)", indicating a concern for clarity in notation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of solving the ODEs and confirm the correctness of the proposed solutions. However, there are differing opinions on the clarity of the notation used and preferences for naming conventions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the notation and its implications for solving the equations, highlighting potential limitations in understanding the problem setup.

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Find the general solution of the ODE:

$\check{X_1}=X_1$

$\check{X_2}=aX_2$

where $a$ is a constant.
 
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I find this hard to read. Is that symbol above the "X"s a double dot, the second derivative symbol? I will assume that it is.

You actually have two differential equations not one. And they are completely separate so you can solve them separately.

My question is "where did you get these?" Are you taking a Differential Equations class? If so you should have learned how to solve "second order linear equations with constant coefficients". Do you see that the "characteristic equations" are r^2= 1 for the first and s^2= a for the second? Do you know what to do with those?
 
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Julio said:
Find the general solution of the ODE:

$\dot{X_1}=X_1$

$\dot{X_2}=aX_2$

where $a$ is a constant.

Now fix it. Can you help me now?
 
Hint: What is the derivative of [math]A e^{Bt}[/math]?

-Dan
 
So it's a single dot- a first derivative. That's even easier. Note that $X_1'= \frac{dX_1}{dt}= X_1$ can be written as $\frac{dX_1}{X_1}= dt$ and $X_2'= aX_2$ can be written as $\frac{dX_2}{X_2}= adt$.

To "solve" such a differential equation, to go from the derivative of a function to the function itself, integrate both sides! That's why topsquark asked "what is the derivative of $Ae^{Bt}$?".
 
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HallsofIvy said:
So it's a single dot- a first derivative. That's even easier. Note that $X_1'= \frac{dX_1}{dt}= X_1$ can be written as $\frac{dX_1}{X_1}= dt$ and $X_2'= aX_2$ can be written as $\frac{dX_2}{X_2}= adt$.

To "solve" such a differential equation, to go from the derivative of a function to the function itself, integrate both sides! That's why topsquark asked "what is the derivative of $Ae^{Bt}$?".

Thanks Hallsoflvy :)

My answer is

$X(t)=\begin{equation}
\begin{pmatrix}
X_1\exp(t)\\
X_2\exp(at)
\end{pmatrix}
\end{equation}$

is correct?
 
It's easy to check isn't it? If $X_1(t)= X_1e^t$ then $X_1(x)'= X_1e^r= X_1(x)$.
If $X_2(t)= X_2e^{at}$ then $X_2(x)'= X_2(ae^{at})= aX_2$.

Yes, those satisfy both equations. Well done!

(Personally, I would not use "X1" as the constant in a funtion I had already called X1(t)!)
 
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