Solve 1st Order PDE: $u_y+f(u)u_x=0$

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The discussion revolves around solving the first-order partial differential equation (PDE) given by $u_y + f(u)u_x = 0$, with initial conditions specified for $u(x,0) = \phi(x)$. Participants explore various methods for solving this equation, including separation of variables and the method of characteristics, while considering the implications of the function $f(u)$.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using the Fourier or Laplace transforms as potential methods for solving the PDE.
  • Others propose separation of variables, but question the necessity of conditions on the function $f(u)$ for this method to be applicable.
  • There is a consensus among some that separation of variables generally requires certain smoothness conditions on $f(u)$, while others note that special cases of $f(u)$ might necessitate different approaches.
  • One participant mentions the method of characteristics as an alternative, indicating it might not have the same limitations as separation of variables.
  • Another participant explains the method of characteristics in detail, describing the need to solve a system of ordinary differential equations (ODEs) derived from the PDE.
  • Participants discuss specific resources and books that could aid in understanding these methods, including recommendations for texts that cover the method of characteristics and scalar conservation laws.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the best method to solve the PDE, as participants express differing opinions on the applicability of separation of variables versus the method of characteristics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which each method is appropriate.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of the function $f(u)$ and its properties, suggesting that the choice of solution method may depend on its characteristics. There are also references to the potential complexity of integrating the ODEs involved in the method of characteristics.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and researchers interested in methods for solving first-order partial differential equations, particularly those exploring the implications of different solution techniques and the role of specific functions within the equations.

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Solve $u_y+f(u)u_x=0,$ $x\in\mathbb R,$ $y>0,$ $u(x,0)=\phi(x).$

What's the easy way to solve this? Fourier Transform? Laplace Transform?
 
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I would say separation of variables.
 
Danny said:
I would say separation of variables.

Wouldn't you have to say something about $f$ in order for that to work?
 
Ackbach said:
Wouldn't you have to say something about $f$ in order for that to work?
You mean like some level of smoothness. For sure. In most cases I would use a separation of variables. For special cases of $f(u)$ - something else.

Thanks for pointing that out!
 
Okay, that consists on putting $u(x,y)=h(x)g(y)$ right?
 
Danny said:
I would say separation of variables.
What I meant to say was the method of characteristics (What was I thinking?) That's what happens when I think mathematics w/o my first cup of tea in the morning. (Doh)
 
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Oh, could you show me or where can I learn the method?
 
Given a PDE of the form

$a(x,y,u)u_x + b(x,y,u)u_y = c(x,y,u)$

the method of characteristics requires you to solve the ODEs

$\dfrac{dx}{a(x,y,u)} = \dfrac{dy}{b(x,y,u)} = \dfrac{du}{c(x,y,u)}$

in which you pick in pairs and try and integrate (sometimes it can be tricky as you might have to be clever in how you pick or manipulate the equations)

What book(s) do you have? You could do a google search for examples or I could give you a list of books that have examples.
 
Well I have the Farlow, the "partial differential equations" and etc, is it good? Could you give examples as you said? Thanks.
 
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Danny said:
You mean like some level of smoothness. For sure. In most cases I would use a separation of variables. For special cases of $f(u)$ - something else.

Thanks for pointing that out!

Danny said:
What I meant to say was the method of characteristics (What was I thinking?) That's what happens when I think mathematics w/o my first cup of tea in the morning. (Doh)

Yeah, I was more getting at the "separability" of $f$. Characteristics doesn't seem to have that drawback in this case.
 
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Using the method of characteristics you shoudl arrive at something like \(u(x,t)=\phi(y_0(x,t))\) where \(y_0(x,t)\) is the intersection of the \(x\)-axis with the characteristic passing through \((x,t)\).

For this method I would recommend John's book "Partial differential equations" where he treats in some detail the case \(f(u)=u\). Also, as an aside, putting \( f=g'\) for some \(g\), we can put the equation in the form \(u_t+g(u)_x=0\), and this is known as a scalar conservation law in one dimension; there are books dedicated to these kinds of equations.
 
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Jester said:
What book(s) do you have? You could do a google search for examples or I could give you a list of books that have examples.
Sorry for the delay of the reply, but those books are online? Can you give the links if so?

Thanks!
 

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