Solve 870 kg Sports Car Collision Speed at Impact

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Homework Statement


A 870 kg sports car collides into the rear end of a 2500 kg SUV stopped at a red light. The bumpers lock, the brakes are locked, and the two cars skid forward 2.9 m before stopping. The police officer, estimating the coefficient of kinetic friction between tires and road to be 0.80, calculates the speed of the sports car at impact.
Part A
What was that speed?

Homework Equations


law of conservation momentum

The Attempt at a Solution


so , we have
mivii + 0 = m1v1f + m2v2f
and since final velocities are same(inelastic collision)
m1v1i = vf( m1 +m2 )
or m1( v1i - vf ) = m2vf - (i)

kinetic energy is not conserved
0.5m1v1i2 = 0.5vf2( m1 + m2 )
taking the mivf2 to the left and since 0.5 cancel
m1(v1i2 - vf2) = m2vf2
m1 (v1i + vf)(v1i - vf ) = m2vf2 -(ii)

dividing (i) and (II)
we get, v1 + vf = vf
so from here do i conclude that the final velocities are different otherwise answer makes no sense and instead use subscripts for different final velocities . but final velocity should be same ?

and why is that distance and coefficient of kinetic friction given need help here..:confused:
 
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sumitmanhas said:

Homework Statement


A 870 kg sports car collides into the rear end of a 2500 kg SUV stopped at a red light. The bumpers lock, the brakes are locked, and the two cars skid forward 2.9 m before stopping. The police officer, estimating the coefficient of kinetic friction between tires and road to be 0.80, calculates the speed of the sports car at impact.
Part A
What was that speed?


Homework Equations


law of conservation momentum


The Attempt at a Solution


so , we have
mivii + 0 = m1v1f + m2v2f
and since final velocities are same(inelastic collision)
m1v1i = vf( m1 +m2 )
or m1( v1i - vf ) = m2vf - (i)

(i) is better rewritten as vi= vf(m1+m2)/m1 since the question asks for the initial speed of the sports car

sumitmanhas said:
kinetic energy is not conserved
0.5m1v1i2 = 0.5vf2( m1 + m2 )
taking the mivf2 to the left and since 0.5 cancel
m1(v1i2 - vf2) = m2vf2
m1 (v1i + vf)(v1i - vf ) = m2vf2 -(ii)

You stated that KE is not conserved, which is true, which means that the equivalence of KE does not hold and (ii) cannot be used.

sumitmanhas said:
and why is that distance and coefficient of kinetic friction given need help here..:confused

Looking back at (i), you would realize that the only unknown is vf which is the velocity immediately after the collision. The combined vehicles came to a halt, right? We have the distance, and the final velocity of the wreakage = 0. And friction provides deceleration. So, we are looking for initial velocity. Hmm... an equation comes to mind...
 
so like u said , using kinematics equation vf2 = vi2 + 2ad
where , vf = o (final velocity of the wreckage)
vi = velocity immediately after the collision (unknown)
a = [tex]\mu[/tex]mg/m ( m = total mass of two cars)
d = given

so here a would have a negative sign in front of it right , cause decelerating? and from this equation formed , the value for vi goes as vf in equation - (i) and so on n so forth u find the initial velocity of the car.

right ?
thanks for ur help n time..
 
Yes, you are approaching the question correctly. a must have a negative sign, otherwise, the wreakage is accelerating!