Solve an exponent equation without restricting the domain?

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation x = x^u for u without restricting the domain of x. Participants explore the implications of the equation across different values of x, including positive, negative, and zero.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a solution for u = 1 when x > 0, but notes the limitation of this solution to positive values of x.
  • Another participant suggests that there are infinitely many solutions when x = 0, indicating the need for domain partitioning.
  • A participant introduces the concept of complex numbers and Euler's identity as a potential avenue for solving the equation for negative x.
  • One participant questions the definition of xu on the reals for negative x and proposes substituting x with a complex representation.
  • Another participant claims to have proven that u = 1 for all x ≠ 0 using Euler's identity, suggesting that the logarithmic terms cancel out even for negative x.
  • A later reply raises a question about evaluating ln x when x = 0 using a Maclaurin or Taylor series, which is met with a response indicating that the series would diverge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of solutions for negative and zero values of x, with no consensus reached on a unified approach to solving the equation across all domains.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions and assumptions about the logarithm and exponentiation for negative and zero values of x, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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It's a pretty basic equation:

x = x^u, solve for u.

ln x = u ln x

ln x / ln x = u

u = 1

However, this solution only applies for x > 0. Is there any way we could solve this equation for all values of x?
 
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The equation has infinitely many solutions when x = 0, so you're going to have to partition the domain anyway. For negative values of x specifically, you might try toying with the inverse of xu...
 
Hey Hertz and welcome to the forums.

Are you are aware of complex numbers and Eulers identity?
 
chiro said:
Hey Hertz and welcome to the forums.

Are you are aware of complex numbers and Eulers identity?

Thanks :)

I do know about complex numbers, but not Eulers identity. I am more than happy to do research though to solve this problem.
 
I'm not sure that xu is defined on the reals when x negative. If taking x and u to be complex then try substituting x = r.e, r ≥ 0.
 
I'm not 100% sure if this situation is case specific, but using Euler's Identity I think I've proven it for u < 0 also.

Euler's Identity: e^ipi + 1 = 0

e^ipi = -1
ln(-1) = ipi

Therefore:
ln(-a) = ln(-1) + ln(a)
ln(-a) = ipi + ln(a)

x^u = x
u ln x = ln x
u = ln x/ln x

Even if x is negative, the ln x's still cancel out.

so, u = 1 for all x such that x != 0.

Thank you for the suggestion chiro.

One final quick question; using a Maclaurin or Taylor series would it be possible to evaluate ln x when x = 0? Sorry if this question sounds foolish, I haven't learned much about them yet.
 
The series would diverge, as the logarithm would.
 

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