Solve by separation of variables

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The discussion revolves around solving a given differential equation using the method of separation of variables. Participants explore the steps involved in separating the variables and integrating the resulting expressions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the differential equation and expresses difficulty in separating the variables.
  • Another suggests factoring the numerator and denominator to facilitate separation of variables.
  • A different participant successfully factors the equation and rewrites it, questioning their integration approach.
  • Some participants confirm the correctness of the factorization and suggest methods for integrating the separated terms.
  • There is a discussion about an alternative method involving polynomial division to simplify the left side of the equation, with some clarification on the thought process behind it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the steps to factor and separate the variables, but there is some uncertainty regarding the integration process and the alternative methods proposed for simplification.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about the integration steps and the reasoning behind certain algebraic manipulations, indicating potential gaps in understanding that remain unresolved.

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Solve given differential equation by separation of variables

[math]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{xy+3x-y-3}{xy-2x+4y-8}[/math]

So separate x and y terms

[math](xy-2x+4y-8) dy = (xy+3x-y-3)[/math] ugh I'm stuck:(
 
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Re: solve by separation of variables

You want to factor the numerator and denominator of the right side, then you may separate variables.
 
Re: solve by separation of variables

I can factor to [math]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{(x-1)(y+3)}{(x+4)(y-2)}[/math] and rewriting gives [math]\frac{(y-2)}{(y+3)} dy = \frac{(x-1)}{(x+4)} dx[/math]. Am I on the right track? I don't know how to integrate this.
 
Re: solve by separation of variables

Yes, you are correct. For the left side, consider:

$$\frac{y-2}{y+3}=\frac{y+3-5}{y+3}=1-\frac{5}{y+3}$$

Do the same kind of thing on the right side, and you should be able to integrate now.
 
Re: solve by separation of variables

MarkFL said:
Yes, you are correct. For the left side, consider:

$$\frac{y-2}{y+3}=\frac{y+3-5}{y+3}=1-\frac{5}{y+3}$$

Do the same kind of thing on the right side, and you should be able to integrate now.

Is an alternative to [math]\frac{y+3-5}{y+3}[/math] doing polynomial division and seeing y+3 goes into y-2 once with a remainder of 5? I'm not super clear on the thought process of getting [math]1-\frac{5}{y+3}$$.
 
Re: solve by separation of variables

find_the_fun said:
Is an alternative to [math]\frac{y+3-5}{y+3}[/math] doing polynomial division and seeing y+3 goes into y-2 once with a remainder of 5? I'm not super clear on the thought process of getting [math]1-\frac{5}{y+3}[/math].

Yes, although the remainder is actually -5, but then you get the same result. I just find it simpler to do as I did above. To make what I did more clear, consider:

$$\frac{y-2}{y+3}=\frac{(y+3)+(-2-3)}{y+3}=\frac{y+3}{y+3}-\frac{5}{y+3}=1-\frac{5}{y+3}$$
 

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