Solve Difficult Equation: x = 4

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the equation presented by a participant, which they solved graphically to find x = 4. Participants explore whether an algebraic solution exists, discussing various approaches and the challenges associated with solving such equations.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested, Exploratory, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant solved the equation graphically and found x = 4, questioning the existence of an algebraic solution.
  • Another participant argues that it is unlikely to solve the equation algebraically, suggesting that such equations are typically easier to create than to solve without numerical methods.
  • A different participant proposes manipulating the equation using logarithms and square roots to derive a quadratic, but later retracts this idea, stating it may not be feasible.
  • Another participant mentions that calculators often use Newton's method for numerical solutions, implying this might be the only analytic approach available, although they admit uncertainty about the method.
  • One participant notes that if a rational solution exists, it must be integral and suggests testing small integers like 1 and 4, but also cautions that if no simple solution is apparent, the answer may be complex and transcendental.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express skepticism about the existence of an algebraic solution, with multiple competing views on the methods that could be applied. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of "algebraically" and the assumptions about the nature of the equation, as well as the potential complexity of solutions that may not be easily expressible.

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hey all,

a friend gave me this equation and required that i solve it:

http://www.geocities.com/mazen_zone/Untitled.jpg

I could only solve it graphically and the answer was (x = 4),
so i wonder if there is an algebraic solution for it ?
 
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I don't think there is any way to solve it algebraically.

With such equations, it's easy to create them, while terribly annoying to solve without calculators to solve it numerically for you. I think your friend may have caused you a headache for laughs :wink:
 
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Mentallic said:
I don't think there is any way to solve it algebraically.

With such equations, it's easy to create them, while terribly annoying to solve without calculators to solve it numerically for you. I think your friend may have caused you a headache for laughs :wink:

lol yeah i guess...thanks anyway.
 
log it, make sqrt(x) the subject, square both sides, and I think that would give you a quadratic which is easy to solve.

edit: Sorry I just realized that's a dumb idea. Yeah, I don't think there's any way to solve it analytically.
 
Anyway, not with log and all. Since you have a sum of the two, the log would not apply in that sense.

Cheers
 
Calculators use Newton's method to solve equations (including this type of equations of course)
maybe that's the only analytic way to solve it, but i don't know how to use this method :smile:
 
"Algebraically" is a vague term. It is easy to see that if there is a rational answer then it must actually be integral, and in fact x is a square. This leads you to try 1,4 and get the answer (almost) immediately.

If there isn't such a nice easy to spot idea, then the solution is almost certainly going to be nasty, transcendental and impossible to write down in any nice way, so don't bother to try.
 

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