Solve Forced Oscillation using Differential Equation Method

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation that models forced oscillations, specifically focusing on the equation 0.2(d²y)/(dt²) + 1.2dy/dt + 2y = r(t), where r(t) is an external force given by r(t) = 5cos(4t). Participants seek assistance in finding the equation of motion for the forced oscillation, while also addressing related questions about pendulum motion and resistance.

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  • One participant presents the governing differential equation for forced oscillation and requests help in solving it.
  • Another participant welcomes the original poster and encourages them to share their attempts to solve the problem.
  • A participant provides a detailed solution process, including finding the homogeneous and particular solutions, and equating coefficients to solve for constants.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the relevance of the spring equation f = kx to the forced oscillation problem.
  • Multiple participants discuss a separate question regarding a simple pendulum and the effects of resistance proportional to velocity, with varying levels of understanding and confusion about the topic.
  • There is a correction regarding the interpretation of external forces in the context of the pendulum problem, with some participants clarifying the definitions and implications of resistance and external forces.
  • One participant attempts to explain the forces acting on a pendulum but is told that their explanation does not directly address the question posed.

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Participants generally agree on the method for solving the forced oscillation problem, but there is some confusion regarding the relevance of the spring equation and the discussion of the pendulum problem. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to the pendulum question, with differing levels of understanding among participants.

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Participants express uncertainty about the application of certain equations and the implications of resistance in the context of oscillatory motion. There are also unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions in the discussions related to both the forced oscillation and pendulum problems.

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Students and enthusiasts of physics, particularly those interested in differential equations, forced oscillations, and the dynamics of pendulum motion with resistance.

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The differential eqn that governs the forced oscillation is shown below:
0.2(d^2 y)/(dt^2 )+ 1.2dy/dt + 2y = r(t) where r(t) is the external force

Given that r(t) = 5cos4t with y(0) = 0.5 and y'(0) = 0. Find the equation of motion of the forced oscillation..

Please help me to solve by using differential eqn method..thx!urgent
 
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welcome to pf!

hi angelwentheng! welcome to pf! :smile:

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0.2(d^2 y)/(dt^2 )+ 1.2dy/dt + 2y = r(t)
0.2(d^2 y)/(dt^2 ) + 1.2dy/dt + 2y = 5cos4t
0.2m^2 + 1.2m + 2 = 0
m = (-b±√(b^2-4ac))/2a
= (-(1.2)± √(〖(1.2)〗^2-4(0.2)(2)))/(2(0.2))
= (-1.2 ±0.4i)/0.4
= -3 ± i
y_h(t) = e^(-3t) (Acosx+Bsinx)
r (t) = 5cos4t
y_p (t) = pcos4t + qsin4t ------------ (1)
y_p^' (t)= -4psin4t + 4qcos4t---------- (2)
y_p^'' (t) = -16pcos4t – 16qsin4t ---------- (3)
Substitute (1), (2) and (3) into 0.2 (d^2 y)/(dt^2 ) + 1.2 dy/dt + 2y = 5cos4t
0.2(-16pcos4t – 16qsin4t) + 1.2(-4psin4t + 4qcos4t) + 2(pcos4t + qsin4t) = 5cos4t
-3.2pcos4t – 3.2qsin4t – 4.8psin4t + 4.8qcos4t + 2pcos4t + 2qsin4t = 5cos4t
Equate the coefficients:
For cos4t:
-3.2p + 4.8q + 2p = 5
-1.2p + 4.8q = 5 ---------- (1)
For sin4t:
-3.2q – 4.8p + 2q = 0
-1.2q – 4.8p = 0 ----------- (2)
Equation 1 x4
19.2 q – 4.8p = 20---------- (3)
-20.4q = -20
q = 50/51
Substitute q =50/51 into equation (2)
-1.2(50/51) – 4.8p = 0
- 4.8p = 20/17
P = - 25/102
y_p (t)= - 25/102cos4t + 50/51sin4t
y (t) =y_h(t) + y_p(t)
= e^(-3t)(Acos t + Bsin t) - 25/102cos4t + 50/51sin4t
Given y (0) = 0.5
A – 25/102 = 0.5
A = 38/51
y’(t) = e^(-3t )(-Asin t + Bcos t) +(Acos t + Bsin t)(-3e^(-3t)) + 50/51sin4t +200/51cos4t
Given y’ (0) = 0
B – 3A + 200/51 = 0
B – 3(38/51) + 200/51 = 0
B = -86/51
Therefore, the equation of motion of the forced oscillation is y(t) = e^(-3t)(38/51cos t – 86/51sin t) – 25/102cos4t + 50/51sin4t


pls help me to check am i correct or not.thanks:smile:
 
sorry for not noticing the sign
 
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angelwentheng said:
herefore, the equation of motion of the forced oscillation is y(t) = e^(-3t)(38/51cos t – 86/51sin t) – 25/102cos4t + 50/51sin4t

well y(0) = 76/102 - 25/102 = 0.5

and y'(0) = -86/51 - 3*38/51 + 200/51 = 0,

so that looks ok :smile:
 
Thanks~I'm wondering am I need to do the forced oscillation equation?which means using the spring equation f = kx
 
angelwentheng said:
Thanks~I'm wondering am I need to do the forced oscillation equation?which means using the spring equation f = kx
angelwentheng said:
The differential eqn that governs the forced oscillation is shown below:
0.2(d^2 y)/(dt^2 )+ 1.2dy/dt + 2y = r(t) where r(t) is the external force

Given that r(t) = 5cos4t with y(0) = 0.5 and y'(0) = 0. Find the equation of motion of the forced oscillation..

you've solved the given equation for forced oscillation …

what does some other equation have to do with it? :confused:
 
oh...i am blur...sorry
 
A simple pendulum of length is oscillating through a small angle θ in a medium for which
the resistance is proportional to the velocity. Obtain the differential equation of its motion
and discuss the motion.
sorry help me with these...I'm totally blank
 
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angelwentheng said:
A simple pendulum of length is oscillating through a small angle θ in a medium for which
the resistance is proportional to the velocity. Obtain the differential equation of its motion
and discuss the motion.
sorry help me with these...I'm totally blank

well the differential equation should be easy …

what do you make it? :smile:
 
  • #11
sorry I have no idea for this ques...can u help me?
 
  • #12
angelwentheng said:
A simple pendulum of length is oscillating through a small angle θ in a medium for which
the resistance is proportional to the velocity.

just translate the English into maths …

you know what the usual equations is (without resistance) …

now add a force proportional to the speed
 
  • #13
External forces are zero, so the governing equation is homogeneous:
mx"+Bx'+kx=0

x"=d²x/dt².
x'=dx/dt
x=displacement, positive to the right
m=mass
B=resistance proportional to the velocity
k=stiffness (of a spring), which is resistance proportional to the displacement.
 
  • #14
angelwentheng said:
External forces are zero, so the governing equation is homogeneous:
mx"+Bx'+kx=0

i don't understand what you mean by "External forces are zero" …

both gravity and the resistance are external forces :confused:

but anyway, yes that's the correct equation :smile:

now the question asks you to "discuss the motion" …

so what are the solutions, and how do they change if you increase B ?
 
  • #15
external forces means f(t)...cz actually the original eqn will be mx'' + Bx' + kx = f(x)
since there is no external force...therefore f(x)=o
but why increasing the resistance?the question said directly proportional to velocity...

erm...sorry i 'm nt physics students...so i might not understand phy laws...so pls guide me
 
  • #16
angelwentheng said:
external forces means f(t)...cz actually the original eqn will be mx'' + Bx' + kx = f(x)
since there is no external force...therefore f(x)=o

actually, f(t) would be a time-dependent external force;

kx is an f(x), an external position-dependent force :smile:
but why increasing the resistance?the question said directly proportional to velocity...

yes, you can't change B in the middle of a particular motion

but you can have different experiments with different Bs, and the question is asking you to categorise the solutions …

the solutions will be of different characters, depending how large B is (think "damping" :wink:)
 
  • #17
For a pendulum of length L and mass m,
making an angle θ with the vertical, three forces act on the mass m.
The vertical force due to gravity, mg.
A horizontal restoring force (towards the equilibrium position) of mgsin(θ), and the tension, which is equal and opposite to the resultant of the two forces.
The restoring force mgsin(θ) is often approximated by
kx=mgLsin(θ)≅mgLθ for small angles (when θ is in radians).

This is my explanation for this ques...is it correct?
 
  • #18
angelwentheng said:
A simple pendulum of length is oscillating through a small angle θ in a medium for which
the resistance is proportional to the velocity. Obtain the differential equation of its motion
and discuss the motion.
angelwentheng said:
This is my explanation for this ques...

no it isn't!

its your explanation for a different question …

the question asked you to discuss the motion with a resistance proportional to the velocity
 
  • #19
then how to explain??:confused:
 
  • #20
well, first you'll have to solve the equation, won't you? :wink:
 
  • #21
angelwentheng said:
A simple pendulum of length is oscillating through a small angle θ in a medium for which
the resistance is proportional to the velocity. Obtain the differential equation of its motion
and discuss the motion.
sorry help me with these...I'm totally blank

I am stucked in this same question too!could anyone help?
 

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