Solve Maximum of a+b+c+d Without Wolfram

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The discussion revolves around finding the maximum value of the expression a + b + c + d under specific constraints involving the variables a, b, c, and d. The constraints include equations relating these variables, and the discussion explores various mathematical approaches to solve the problem without using computational tools like Wolfram.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a set of equations: a + b = c + d, ad = bc, and ac + bd = 1, and asks for the maximum of a + b + c + d.
  • Another participant suggests manipulating the equations to reduce the number of unknowns, proposing that if c + d ≠ 0, then a = c and b = d, leading to a simplification of the expression.
  • A further response indicates that the third equation implies a^2 + b^2 = 1, and suggests that maximizing 2a + 2b requires finding an appropriate value for a.
  • There is a request for clarification on how to numerically determine the maximum value of a + b + c + d based on the derived expressions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants are exploring different mathematical manipulations and interpretations of the equations, but there is no consensus on how to arrive at a numerical solution for the maximum value of a + b + c + d.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the non-negativity of variables and the implications of certain conditions (e.g., c + d ≠ 0), which may affect the validity of the proposed approaches.

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Hey!
I found one difficult equation for me...
It is:
Valid for real numbers a, b, c, d:
a + b = c + d
ad = bc
ac + bd = 1
What is the maximum of a+b+c+d?

And DON'T SAY wolfram, really no wolfram... I used it and it isn't good.
So... have you got any idea?
 
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Add ##a##c to both sides of the second equation, and you get
$$
ad + ac = ac + bc
\iff
a(c+d) = (a+b)c = (c+d)c.
$$
One possibility now would be ##c+d=0##, but then you'd also have ##a+b=0##, and so ##a+b+c+d=0##. So suppose ##c+d\neq0##, then ##a=c##, and from the first equation you also have ##b=d##.

Now you're really left with only two unknowns, which you can use in the third equation to make ##a+b+c+d=2a+2b## minimal.
 
Hmm... Sorry, bud I don't understand last line. Ok, a+b+c+d=2a+2b, yes, but how I find numerical value of a+b+c+d in second variant?
 
Your third equation says ##ac+bd=1##, i.e. ##a^2+b^2=1##, so if you assume ##b\geq0## (since you want ##2a+2b## to be maximal), you get ##b=\sqrt{1-a^2}##. This means you need to find a value ##a## for which ##2a+2b = 2a+2\sqrt{1-a^2}## is maximal.

Do you know how to find such an ##a##?
 

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