Solve Momentum Behavior: Get 2.72 & 2.73 Equations

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The discussion revolves around deriving equations 2.72 and 2.73 from previous equations, specifically focusing on fluid dynamics concepts such as vorticity, divergence, and viscosity. Participants are exploring the mathematical steps involved in these derivations.

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  • One participant requests assistance in deriving equations 2.72 and 2.73.
  • Another suggests starting from equation 2-70 and taking the divergence of both sides, noting constant density and that the divergence of velocity (div(V)) is zero.
  • A participant states that equation 2-73 is the definition of fluid vorticity and not derived from other equations.
  • Some participants express confusion about the terms in the equations, particularly regarding the effects of gravity and viscosity.
  • There is a discussion about specific terms that participants find challenging, including the divergence of viscosity terms.
  • One participant provides a list of vector calculus identities that may assist in the derivation process.
  • Another participant shares their progress and expresses difficulty in moving forward after manipulating the equations.
  • There is a question about whether the condition div(V)=0 implies a steady flow problem.
  • One participant mentions obtaining a specific equation related to the time derivative of vorticity.
  • Another participant notes that since div(V)=0, it is permissible to take the divergence inside the time-partial derivative.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the derivation process, indicating that multiple viewpoints and uncertainties remain. No consensus is reached on the best approach to derive the equations.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the terms involved, particularly in relation to viscosity and gravity, and there are unresolved mathematical steps that contribute to the confusion.

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Can somobody help me how to get the 2.72 and 2.73 equation??

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2-72: have you tried: starting from 2-70 and take the divergence of both sides - note constant density and div(V)=0

2-73: this equation is the definition of "fluid vorticity" so it is not a derived thingy.
The equation just before it comes from 2-70 by taking the curl.
 
i tried but it not looks simple to do
 
Most of the terms turn out to be zero - where do you get stuck?
 
I really confused... There are a lot of terms in dV/dT and gravity that become 0, but in vicosity how could i do?
 
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\nabla p=\rho g + \mu \nabla^2 V-\rho\frac{\partial V}{\partial t}

\nabla^2 p=\nabla .(\rho g) + \mu\nabla . (\nabla^2 V)-\rho\nabla . \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial t}\right)

\nabla^2 p=\nabla .(\rho g) + \mu\nabla^2(\nabla V)-\rho\nabla . \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial t}\right)

Using \nabla . V=0 and \nabla .(\rho g)=0

\nabla^2 p=-\rho\nabla . \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial t}\right)

And i got stuck
 
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Can i assume if div(V)=0 then it's a steady flow problem?
 
The other i got \frac{\partial \omega}{\partial t}=\frac{\mu}{\rho}\nabla \times (\nabla^2 V)

What now?
 
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You are told that div.V=0.
You can take the div inside the time-partial
 

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