Solve Mystery: Properties of Matter Q: Thimble of Water in Ocean

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The problem involves calculating the probability of selecting a molecule from a thimble of water after it has been mixed into the ocean, which contains a vastly larger number of water molecules. The subject area pertains to probability within the context of physics and chemistry.

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  • Participants discuss the ratio of molecules in the thimble to those in the ocean and explore the probability of selecting one of the original molecules. Questions arise about the correct interpretation of ratios and probabilities.

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Some participants have provided hints and examples to guide understanding of probability calculations. There is ongoing exploration of the correct approach to determine the probability, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants express confusion regarding the concepts of probability and ratios, indicating that this is part of an introductory physics course aimed at enhancing understanding.

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Q. There are approx 10^23 H2O molecules in a thimble of water adn 10^46 H2O molecules in the ocean. You threw a thimble of water into the ocean and it mixed uniformly. Show that if you dip a thimble of water from anywhere in the ocean that you will probably scoop up at least one of the molecules from thr original thimble.

S. I have no idea how to even attempt answering this Q so any help appreciated.
 
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When the molecules from the initial thimble have been mixed uniformly, what is the probability of picking one of those molecules out of the ocean?
 
Jgens - thanks for your quick response!

Well 10^46 is 10^23 squared. So would that mean that the ratio is 1:2 so there would be a 50% chance of picking up one of the original molecules ??
 
Not quite, n/n^2 is not necessarily equal to 1/2 (in fact it usually isn't). Try another approach for finding the probability.

Hint: It's similar to a problem like if there are n red objects in a bag containing m items, what is the probability of picking a red object from the bag?

Note: I think you might want to brush up on your ratios. If a ratio was 1:2 there would be a 1/3 chance of picking one of the objects.
 
Oh dear probabilities aren't something I am good at. :o( Still very confused and not understanding this. This is a Q from a intro physics course that is supposed to be helping me to understand physics - I am more confused then ever! :o(
 
I'm sorry. Here's a concrete example: Suppose I have a bag with 10 objects in it. If there are 4 squares in the bag, what is the probability that I will draw out a square?

Use similar logic to solve your initial problem.
 
So the probability for your example would be 4/10 --> 2/5 (or 0.4) Is this correct?

That would make it 10^23/10^46 ...ok need to remember how to put exponents in my calculator - will go and find manual but I think its 1/2 or 0.5 am I on the right track?
 
Yes, that's correct.

Well, you can use your calculator. Or you could just use the fact that x^n/x^m = x^(n-m).

Edit: Just realized the second half of you post. 1/2 is definitely not correct. Remember, n^2 =/ 2n in most cases.
 
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