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The discussion focuses on breaking down a second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) involving two independent variables into a system of first-order ODEs. The equation can be expressed in terms of new variables, leading to a form that allows for integration, yielding a constant relationship between angular velocity and position. However, the challenge remains due to having two dependent variables with only one equation, limiting further progress without additional information. The user inquires whether knowing that acceleration and velocity are positive and constant provides sufficient data to advance the solution. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities of solving the ODE and the need for more information to fully resolve the system.
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Is there a way to break this up into a system of ODEs?
$$
L\ddot{\theta} + \dot{x}\dot{\theta} + \ddot{x}\theta = 0
$$
 
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It's a little unusual that you have a single second-order ODE in two independent variables, but you could just do this:
\begin{align*}
x_{1}&=x \\
x_{2}&= \dot{x} \\
y_{1}&= \theta \\
y_{2}&= \dot{ \theta} \\
0&=L \dot{y}_{2}+x_{2} y_{2}+ \dot{x}_{2} y_{1}.
\end{align*}

There is no $x$ in the original ODE, so you could theoretically integrate that once immediately by essentially leaving out the first equation.
 
dwsmith said:
Is there a way to break this up into a system of ODEs?
$$
L\ddot{\theta} + \dot{x}\dot{\theta} + \ddot{x}\theta = 0
$$
Notice that $\dot{x}\dot{\theta} + \ddot{x}\theta = \frac d{dt}(\dot{x}\theta)$, so (assuming that $L$ is a constant) the equation can be written $\frac d{dt}(L\dot{\theta} +\dot{x}\theta) = 0$. You can integrate this once, to get $L\dot{\theta} +\dot{x}\theta = $ const. But you still have the situation of two dependent variables and only one equation, so I don't see how you can go beyond there without further information.
 
Opalg said:
Notice that $\dot{x}\dot{\theta} + \ddot{x}\theta = \frac d{dt}(\dot{x}\theta)$, so (assuming that $L$ is a constant) the equation can be written $\frac d{dt}(L\dot{\theta} +\dot{x}\theta) = 0$. You can integrate this once, to get $L\dot{\theta} +\dot{x}\theta = $ const. But you still have the situation of two dependent variables and only one equation, so I don't see how you can go beyond there without further information.

I know that acceleration is positive and constant and velocity is positive. Does that offer enough information?
 

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