Solve Power Series: (x^2)(y")+y=0

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation (x^2)(y") + y = 0 using power series methods. Participants explore various approaches, including the Frobenius method, while addressing the challenges posed by singular points in the equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the difficulty of solving the equation around the singular point x_0=0.
  • Another participant suggests using the Frobenius method, providing a general solution in terms of elementary functions.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about applying the Frobenius method due to their prior learning experiences with differential equations without singularities.
  • A later reply elaborates on the Frobenius method, indicating that the problem may not yield a recursion relation and that all coefficients might initially appear to be zero.
  • Hints are provided for solving the equation, including letting r + k = ω and addressing complex roots.
  • One participant proposes an alternative approach by guessing a solution of the form x^r, leading to similar results as those obtained through the Frobenius method.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of adhering to the power series method as requested by the original poster.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate method to solve the equation, with some advocating for the Frobenius method while others suggest alternative approaches. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best path forward.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the challenge of singular points in the context of power series solutions, indicating that assumptions about the nature of the solutions may vary based on the chosen method.

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hi guys it's me you helped me last time in my bonus problem(thank's for that) i need help again naw please it's a hard problem for me :

solve using power series:
(x^2)(y")+y=0

after solving it i stopped at :

an[n^2-n+1]=0
 
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If you are trying to solve this equation around the point [itex]x_0=0[/itex] you will run into a problem since that is a singular point of that equation.
 
Are you using the method of Frobenius?

Here is the general solution in terms of elementary functions:
[tex] \sqrt{x} \cos \left(\frac{1}{2} \sqrt{3} \log (x)\right) C_1+\sqrt{x}<br /> \sin \left(\frac{1}{2} \sqrt{3} \log (x)\right) C_2[/tex]
 
i don't know we only learned how to solve de's when there are no singularities
 
how can i use this Frobenius method
 
momen salah said:
how can i use this Frobenius method

It's quite an interesting problem, I just took the time to solve it now. Normally with a series solution you expect to find a recursion relation for the coefficients, but this one is quite different. Here, as I'm sure you've already discovered (and I'm guessing where you got stuck), there is no recursion relation and at first it may appear that all the coefficients are forced to zero.

If you apply the Frobenius method you should end up with something in the form of,

[tex]P(r+k) \, \, a_k = 0[/tex], for each k, where P(.) is a polynomial.

No recursion relation, and all [tex]a_k[/tex] must be zero except for at most a finite number corresponding to the zeros of P(.).

If you got this far and it all seemed wrong then don't depair, you're on the right track. Here are some hints to finish it off.

1. Let [tex]r + k = \omega[/tex] (or whatever) and solve [tex]P(\omega) = 0[/tex]

2. If you get complex roots then keep going regardless. (Don't worry as later in the solution you can still restrict the remaining coefficients to force y to be a real function).

3. Don't forget that the complex exponential [tex]x^{i \beta}[/tex] can be rewritten as [tex]e^{i \beta \log(x)}[/tex].

Follows those hints and you'll get Crosson's solution with surprisingly little effort.
 
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Why not "guess" a solution of the form x^r, and end up with solutions [tex]x^{1/2 \pm i\sqrt{3}/2}[/tex], which are essentially the same as Crosson ended up with?
 
There's nothing wrong with using an inspired guess (and verify) to solve a DE, but in this instance the OP did explicitly say that he was asked to solve it using a power series method.
 
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Alright, thanks!
 

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