Solve Rational Inequality: Find Integer Roots [-2, 3]

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding all integer roots that satisfy the rational inequality (3x + 1)/(x - 4) < 1. Participants explore the implications of the inequality and the conditions under which it holds true.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to solve the inequality by first equating it to 1 and finding critical points. They discuss checking intervals around these points to determine where the inequality holds.
  • Some participants question the validity of their methods and seek clarification on how to properly handle rational inequalities.
  • Others suggest considering cases based on the critical points and the behavior of the function in different intervals.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the intervals to consider, while others are still grappling with the implications of their findings. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive lines of reasoning are being developed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the inequality can change direction at points where the two sides are equal or where the function is discontinuous, specifically at x = -5/2 and x = 4. There is also mention of needing to consider integer solutions within the derived intervals.

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Homework Statement


Find all integer roots that satisfy (3x + 1)/(x - 4) < 1.

The Attempt at a Solution


I would do this:

Make it an equation and find x such that (3x + 1)/(x - 4) = 1.

3x + 1 = x - 4
2x = -5
x = -5/2

Then check if the inequality is valid for values smaller than x and for values bigger than x.

But this approach is not good enough as I would get [-2, +∞) {integers} as my answer.

Any help would be really appreciated.

I think that the answer is [-2, 3] {integers}. But could only get this with a plot.

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What should I also do so that my method is valid for "rational" inequalities?
 
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mafagafo said:

Homework Statement


Find all integer roots that satisfy (3x + 1)/(x - 4) < 1.

The Attempt at a Solution


I would do this:

Make it an equation and find x such that (3x + 1)/(x - 4) = 1.

3x + 1 = x - 4
2x = -5
x = -5/2

Then check if the inequality is valid for values smaller than x and for values bigger than x.

But this approach is not good enough as I would get [-2, +∞) {integers} as my answer.

Any help would be really appreciated.

I think that the answer is [-2, 3] {integers}. But could only get this with a plot.

---

What should I also do so that my method is valid for "rational" inequalities?

Consider the two cases where ##x<4## and ##x>4## and work the inequalities separately.
 
mafagafo said:

Homework Statement


Find all integer roots that satisfy (3x + 1)/(x - 4) < 1.

The Attempt at a Solution


I would do this:

Make it an equation and find x such that (3x + 1)/(x - 4) = 1.

3x + 1 = x - 4
2x = -5
x = -5/2

Then check if the inequality is valid for values smaller than x and for values bigger than x.

But this approach is not good enough as I would get [-2, +∞) {integers} as my answer.

<br /> \frac{3x + 1}{x - 4} = \frac{3(x-4) + 3(4) + 1}{x - 4} = 3 + \frac{13}{x - 4}.<br /> Thus if (3x + 1)/(x-4) &lt; 1 then 13/(x - 4) &lt; - 2. Clearly that can't be the case if x &gt; 4 (because then 13/(x - 4) &gt; 0 &gt; -2) so we must have x &lt; 4. Is there a lower bound?
 
(3x + 1)/(x - 4) < 1 can be written in the form
\frac{(3x+1)-(x-4)}{x-4}&lt;0

Simplified: \frac{2x+5}{x-4}&lt;0

When is the fraction negative?

ehild
 
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(3x + 1)/(x - 4) = 1
3x + 1 = x - 4
2x = -5

x = -5/2

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(3x + 1)/(x - 4) = 1
(3(x - 4) + 12 + 1) / (x - 4) = 1
3 + 13/(x - 4) = 1
13 / (x - 4) = -2

x = 4

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Then I work with those?
(3x + 1)/(x - 4) < 1
Code:
- 8/3 >> false
- 5/2 >> false
- 7/3 >> true
    4 >> impossible
    5 >> false

So the valid integers are {-2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3}?
 
mafagafo said:

Homework Statement


Find all integer roots that satisfy (3x + 1)/(x - 4) < 1.

The Attempt at a Solution


I would do this:

Make it an equation and find x such that (3x + 1)/(x - 4) = 1.

3x + 1 = x - 4
2x = -5
x = -5/2

Then check if the inequality is valid for values smaller than x and for values bigger than x.
An inequality can change direction where the two sides are equal or where the functions are discontinuous. Here, the first occurs where x= -5/2 and the second where x= 4. There are three intervals to be considered: x< -5/2, -5/2< x< 4, and x> 4.
x= -3< -5/2 and (3(-3)+ 1)/(-3- 4)= (-9+ 1)/(-7)= -8/-7 is greater than 1 so NO x< -5/2 satisfies the inequality. x= 0 is between -5/2 and 4. (3(0)+ 1)(0- 4)= -1/4 is less than 1. Every x between -5/2 and 4 satisfy the inequality. x= 5 is larger than 4 and (3(5)+ 1)/(5- 4)= 15/1 is larger than 1. The integer solutions are -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, and 3.

But this approach is not good enough as I would get [-2, +∞) {integers} as my answer.

Any help would be really appreciated.

I think that the answer is [-2, 3] {integers}. But could only get this with a plot.

---

What should I also do so that my method is valid for "rational" inequalities?
 
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ehild said:
(3x + 1)/(x - 4) < 1 can be written in the form
\frac{(3x+1)-(x-4)}{x-4}&lt;0

Simplified: \frac{2x+5}{x-4}&lt;0

When is the fraction negative?

ehild

When {2x+5} &lt; 0 and {x-4} &gt; 0 or when {2x+5} &gt; 0 and {x-4} &lt; 0.

If {2x+5} &lt; 0, then 2x&lt;-5 and x&lt;-\frac{5}{2}.
and if {x-4} &gt; 0, then x &gt; 4. Thus, this is impossible.

If {2x+5} &gt; 0, then 2x&gt;-5 and x&gt;-\frac{5}{2}.
and if {x-4} &lt; 0, then x &lt; 4. Thus, S=\left\{x\in Z|-5 /2 &lt; x &lt; 4\right\}=\left\{x\in Z|-2 \le x \le 3\right\}
 
Big thanks to all of you, with special mention to HallsOfIvy for answering my question.

Q.: "What should I also do so that my method is valid for "rational" inequalities?"
A.: An inequality can change direction where the two sides are equal or where the functions are discontinuous.
 

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