Solve System of Equalities: x^2+xy+y^2, x^2+xz+z^2, y^2+yz+z^2

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of equalities involving three variables, x, y, and z, represented by three polynomial equations. Participants explore various methods to manipulate and solve these equations, including algebraic transformations and substitutions.

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  • One participant confirms that x, y, and z can be any real numbers.
  • Another participant outlines a method involving the manipulation of the first equation to express it in terms of x and y, leading to a cubic equation.
  • Participants discuss the relationships between the variables, with one suggesting the equation z = 2y - x as a derived relationship.
  • There are multiple approaches presented for solving the system, with one participant providing a detailed breakdown of their method, including isolating variables and substituting back into the original equations.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the purpose of a previous post, indicating a potential miscommunication regarding the verification of steps in the solution process.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for solving the system, and multiple competing approaches and interpretations of the equations remain present throughout the discussion.

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Some mathematical steps and assumptions are not fully resolved, and there are indications of differing interpretations of the equations and their relationships. The discussion includes various algebraic manipulations that may depend on specific assumptions about the variables.

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solve the following system:

$$ x^2 +xy +y^2=37$$
$$ x^2+xz+z^2=28$$
$$y^2+yz+z^2=19$$
 
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I presume x, y, and z are real? Are any real and positive?

-Dan
 
yes, any reals
 
[sp]
Here's a quick run-down.

1) [math]x^2 + xy + y^2 = 37[/math]

2) [math]x^2 + x z + z^2 = 28[/math]

3) [math]y^2 + y z + z^2 = 19[/math]

We first need to pull a trick. For example, let's take equation 1):
[math]x^2 + xy + y^2 = 37[/math]

[math](x - y)(x^2 + xy + y^2) = 37 (x - y)[/math]

[math]x^3 - y^3 = 37 (x - y)[/math]

Do this to equations 2) and 3) as well.

Now add equations 1) and 3) and subtract equation 2), giving
[math]0 = x - 2y + z[/math]

Put this into (the unaltered) equations 1) and 2):
1) [math]x^2 + xy + y^2 = 37[/math]

2) [math]x^2 - 2 xy + 4y^2 = 28[/math]
(We can drop equation 3). It doesn't give us anything new.)

So add 2 times equation 1 and equation 2).

[math]x^2 + 2 y^2 = 34[/math]

Thus
[math]y = \pm \sqrt{ \dfrac{1}{2} (34 - x^2) }[/math]

Now put these y values into equation 1)
[math]x^2 \pm x \sqrt{ \dfrac{1}{2} (34 - x^2) } + \dfrac{1}{2} (34 - x^2) = 37[/math]

To save some time I'll just simply say that we can solve this in the usual way of isolating the square root and squaring the whole thing. etc.

So
[math]x = \left \{ \pm 4, ~ \pm \dfrac{10}{\sqrt{3} } \right \}[/math]

Putting this all together:
[math](x, y, z) = \begin{cases} (4, ~ 3, ~ 2) \\ (-4, ~ -3, ~ -2) \\ \left ( \dfrac{10}{\sqrt{3}}, ~ \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{3}}, ~ - \dfrac{8}{\sqrt{3}} \right ) \\ \left ( - \dfrac{10}{\sqrt{3}}, ~ - \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{3}}, ~ \dfrac{8}{\sqrt{3}} \right ) \end{cases} [/math]
[/sp]
-Dan
 
topsquark said:
[sp]
Here's a quick run-down.

1) [math]x^2 + xy + y^2 = 37[/math]

2) [math]x^2 + x z + z^2 = 28[/math]

3) [math]y^2 + y z + z^2 = 19[/math]

We first need to pull a trick. For example, let's take equation 1):
[math]x^2 + xy + y^2 = 37[/math]

[math](x - y)(x^2 + xy + y^2) = 37 (x - y)[/math]

[math]x^3 - y^3 = 37 (x - y)[/math]

Do this to equations 2) and 3) as well.

Now add equations 1) and 3) and subtract equation 2), giving
[math]0 = x - 2y + z[/math]

Put this into (the unaltered) equations 1) and 2):
1) [math]x^2 + xy + y^2 = 37[/math]

2) [math]x^2 - 2 xy + 4y^2 = 28[/math]
(We can drop equation 3). It doesn't give us anything new.)

So add 2 times equation 1 and equation 2).

[math]x^2 + 2 y^2 = 34[/math]

Thus
[math]y = \pm \sqrt{ \dfrac{1}{2} (34 - x^2) }[/math]

Now put these y values into equation 1)
[math]x^2 \pm x \sqrt{ \dfrac{1}{2} (34 - x^2) } + \dfrac{1}{2} (34 - x^2) = 37[/math]

To save some time I'll just simply say that we can solve this in the usual way of isolating the square root and squaring the whole thing. etc.

So
[math]x = \left \{ \pm 4, ~ \pm \dfrac{10}{\sqrt{3} } \right \}[/math]

Putting this all together:
[math](x, y, z) = \begin{cases} (4, ~ 3, ~ 2) \\ (-4, ~ -3, ~ -2) \\ \left ( \dfrac{10}{\sqrt{3}}, ~ \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{3}}, ~ - \dfrac{8}{\sqrt{3}} \right ) \\ \left ( - \dfrac{10}{\sqrt{3}}, ~ - \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{3}}, ~ \dfrac{8}{\sqrt{3}} \right ) \end{cases} [/math]
[/sp]
-Dan
[sp]

Subtract the 2nd equation from the 1st and the 3rd from the 2nd and we get:

(y-z)(x+y=z)=9 and (x-y)(x+y+z)=9

Divide those two and we get:

(y-z)/(x-y)=1 => z=2y-x

Substitute the above into the3rd equation and we get $$ x^2-2xy+4y^2$$ e.t.c e.t.c...[/sp]
 
solakis said:
[sp]

Subtract the 2nd equation from the 1st and the 3rd from the 2nd and we get:

(y-z)(x+y=z)=9 and (x-y)(x+y+z)=9

Divide those two and we get:

(y-z)/(x-y)=1 => z=2y-x

Substitute the above into the3rd equation and we get $$ x^2-2xy+4y^2$$ e.t.c e.t.c...[/sp]
I'm not sure why you posted? I'm guessing that you want a verification of one of the steps. If this not what you are asking, please let me know.
[sp]
[math]x^3 - y^3 = 37(x - y)[/math]

[math]x^3 - z^3 = 28(x - z)[/math]

[math]y^3 - z^3 = 19(y - z)[/math]

So
[math](x^3 - y^3) - (x^3 - z^3) + (y^3 - z^3) = (37(x - y) ) - (28(x - z)) + (19(y - z))[/math]

[math]0 = (37 - 28)x + (-37 + 19)y + (28 - 19)z[/math]
[/sp]

-Dan
 
I just wanted to show that there is another way to get the equation

z=2y-x
 
solakis said:
I just wanted to show that there is another way to get the equation

z=2y-x
Yes. That's on line 11.

-Dan
 

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