Solve Timelike Geodesic: Find A & B for Curve

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The problem involves finding parameters ##A## and ##B## for a specified curve to ensure it represents a timelike geodesic, given certain constraints on the parameter ##s## and the metric involved.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the conditions under which the Lagrangian ##L## is positive, indicating a timelike geodesic. They express confusion regarding the requirement that ##A=\pm 1##, questioning how this conclusion is reached.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some suggesting the need for additional information about the curve and metric. Others propose inserting the curve into the geodesic equations to explore further, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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There is a noted lack of complete information regarding the curve and metric initially provided, which some participants believe is not critical to the final conclusion. However, the original poster remains focused on the specific conclusion about the values of ##A## and ##B##.

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Homework Statement



The question is to find ##A## and ##B## such that the specified curve (we are given a certain parameterisation , see below) is a timelike geodesic , where we have ##|s| < 1 ##

I am just stuck on the last bit really.

So since the geodesic is affinely paramterised ##dL/ds=0## and so I can set ##L=constant##, ##L ## the Lagrangian of a freely-falling particle.

Let ## L ## be this constant.

And with the specified metric and parameterised curve, which are all given to us, this gives:

##B^2(\frac{A^2-s^2}{1-s^2}) = L ##

This is all fine.

MY QUESTION IS...

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see above

The Attempt at a Solution



MY QUESTION IS...

From this I conclude that (since a null curve is given by ##L=0##, a space-like by ## L < 0 ## and a time-like by ##L>0##, since the metric signature in the question is ( +, - ) ) that we require ##|A|<1## since we have ##|s| < 1 ## , and ##B\neq 0 ##, however the solution gives:

we need ##A=\pm 1 ## and ##B\neq 0 ##.
I don't understand where ##A=\pm 1 ## comes from, I thought we just need it such that ##L > 0## and ##A=\pm 1 ## does this

Many thanks in advance
 
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You have not given us the full problem. You have forgotten to specify the given curve and metric.
 
Orodruin said:
You have not given us the full problem. You have forgotten to specify the given curve and metric.

I know, I am pretty sure theyre not needed, it is just the final conclusion described above that I am stuck on. but I will post them now.

curve ## t= A tanh^{-1} s ## , ##x=B(1-s^{2})^{1/2}##
metric : ##ds^2=x^2 dt^2 - dx^2 ##
 
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Did you try inserting the curve into the geodesic equations for the given metric?
 
Orodruin said:
Did you try inserting the curve into the geodesic equations for the given metric?

the question was completed using the euler-lagrange equations. One replaced with setting ##L## to a constant as above, the other the E-L equation for ##t## which gave no new constraints on ##A## and ##B## .

It is just the conclusion as I say in OP that I am on stuck on.
 

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