Solve using Undetermined Coefficients

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation y''(t) - \frac{2}{t^2}y(t) = 3 - \frac{1}{t^2} using the method of Undetermined Coefficients and Variation of Parameters. Participants explore the challenges of finding a particular solution and the appropriateness of different solution methods.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports successfully finding a particular solution using Variation of Parameters but struggles to achieve the same result with Undetermined Coefficients, questioning the validity of their assumption for the particular solution.
  • Another participant suggests that the equation is not suitable for Undetermined Coefficients due to its variable coefficients and proposes using a different approach, such as assuming a solution of the form y = tr or changing variables to simplify the equation.
  • A later reply indicates that Undetermined Coefficients can work with variable coefficients but acknowledges that guessing the form can be challenging, suggesting a modified guess that includes a logarithmic term.
  • Some participants mention that treating the equation as an Euler equation or considering a series solution might be more effective approaches.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of using Undetermined Coefficients for this problem, with some advocating for alternative methods. No consensus is reached on the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the difficulty in guessing the correct form for the particular solution when using Undetermined Coefficients, highlighting the limitations of this method in the context of variable coefficients.

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y''(t) - \frac{2}{t^2}y(t) = 3 - \frac{1}{t^2}

In this problem I had to solve two ways: Variation of Parameters and Undetermined Coefficients. I solved it using Variation of Parameters and got the correct answer for the particular solution in the back of the book being y_p(t) = t^2ln|t| + \frac{1}{2}

I can't seem to get the same answer when I'm solving using Undetermined Coefficients. I let my assumption be y_p(t) = At^2 + Bt + C but I only end up with C=\frac{1}{2} while A=0 and B=0 when I go back and substitute into the original to find their values. What am I doing wrong here? Is my assumption incorrect? I somehow have to get a ln|t| to match up with a t^2 as an A value then I should be able to get the same particular solution.
 
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VitaX said:
y''(t) - \frac{2}{t^2}y(t) = 3 - \frac{1}{t^2}

In this problem I had to solve two ways: Variation of Parameters and Undetermined Coefficients. I solved it using Variation of Parameters and got the correct answer for the particular solution in the back of the book being y_p(t) = t^2ln|t| + \frac{1}{2}

I can't seem to get the same answer when I'm solving using Undetermined Coefficients. I let my assumption be y_p(t) = At^2 + Bt + C but I only end up with C=\frac{1}{2} while A=0 and B=0 when I go back and substitute into the original to find their values. What am I doing wrong here? Is my assumption incorrect? I somehow have to get a ln|t| to match up with a t^2 as an A value then I should be able to get the same particular solution.

If you multiply that equation through by t2 you get
t^2y''(t) - y(t) = 3t^2 - 1

It isn't a constant coefficient equation for which you would use undetermined coefficients. One way of working it is to look for a solution in the form y = tr to get a characteristic equation. Alternatively you can change the variable from t to x by x = ln(t) to make a constant coefficient DE out of it. This type of equation is called an Euler equation. Surely your text has something about these.
 
LCKurtz said:
If you multiply that equation through by t2 you get
t^2y''(t) - y(t) = 3t^2 - 1

It isn't a constant coefficient equation for which you would use undetermined coefficients. One way of working it is to look for a solution in the form y = tr to get a characteristic equation. Alternatively you can change the variable from t to x by x = ln(t) to make a constant coefficient DE out of it. This type of equation is called an Euler equation. Surely your text has something about these.

Yeah it does, I think I just misheard the teacher in him saying use undetermined coefficients when I think he meant use 2 methods of variation of parameters to get the particular solution. At least I hope he said that as that's what I did.
 
Undetermined coefficients works fine with variable coefficients, it is just harder to guess the form, and you guessed wrong. A better guess would be

y_p(t) = At^2 \log(t) + Bt + C

If it is hard to guess the form undetermined coefficients becomes a hard to use method.
 
Treating it as an Euler equation would be better. Or maybe try a series solution.
 

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