Solving 2nd Order DEs w/ Undermined Coefficients & e^x, cosx, sinx

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The discussion revolves around solving non-homogeneous, linear second-order differential equations (DEs) using the method of undetermined coefficients, specifically focusing on cases involving terms like e^x, sin(x), and cos(x). Participants explore how to determine appropriate forms for particular solutions and clarify confusion regarding the application of different functions in solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to choose the appropriate form for the particular solution when dealing with terms like e^x and sin(x) or cos(x).
  • Another participant suggests that the choice of solution should fit with the rest of the DE and emphasizes that experience plays a role in making these decisions.
  • There is a mention of using Ae^x as a particular solution when the inhomogeneity is e^x.
  • A participant expresses confusion about expanding the solution in terms of powers of e and seeks clarification.
  • Another participant notes that sine and cosine can be expressed as sums of complex exponentials, referencing Euler's formula, and states that general solutions of certain forms should be equivalent.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the method for determining the appropriate form of the particular solution. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the relationship between different forms of solutions and how to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in choosing particular solutions and the dependence on the specific form of the differential equation. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and experience among participants.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners dealing with differential equations, particularly those interested in methods of undetermined coefficients and the application of complex exponentials in solutions.

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1. For a non-homogeneous, linear, 2nd order DE, using the method of undermined coefficients, what do you use for the particular solution for e^x and cosx or sinx. For example, if it is x^2, you use Ax^2+Bx+C.

2.For y''-2y'+2y=0 i put y(x)=c_1e^{(1+i)x}+c_2e^{(1-i)x} but got it wrong. The right answer was written as y(x)=e^{ix}(c_1cosx+c_2sinx). I always assumed that an answer using e^x was right. How do I know when to use e^x and when to use sinx or cosx?

Thanks a bunch!
 
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You use the solution that fits with the rest of the DE.

How do you know in advance? By experience. Painful experience. Builds character.
That's why you are given these exercises - to gain the experience.

Have you seen:
http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/NonhomogeneousDE.aspx

i.e. if the inhomogeniety is e^x, then try Ae^x as a particular solution.

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For y''-2y'+2y = 0, you guess ##y=e^{\lambda x}## - which ends up with your solution right?
- expand the "right" answer in terms of powers of e and see if it matches yours.
 
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Thanks Simon. I'm still a little confused. What do you mean by expanding it in terms of powers of e?
 
You can express sine and cosine as a sum of complex exponentials.
Look up Euler's formula.

general solutions of the form ##y=Ae^{\lambda_1x}+Be^{\lambda_2 x}##
and of form ##y=e^{ax}C\sin(x)+D\cos(x)## should be equivalent in this case.
 
Oh ok i see. Thanks
 

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