Solving 4 Differential Equations - Tips for Exam

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of four differential equations involving functions of time and constants. Participants explore methods for tackling these equations, including operator notation and matrix representation, while expressing varying levels of confidence and understanding regarding the complexity of the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a system of four differential equations and expresses uncertainty about how to solve them.
  • Another participant questions whether solving a pair of such equations is feasible, implying that the complexity may increase with the number of equations.
  • A participant suggests using operator notation to simplify the equations, treating the derivative as a constant for linear equations with constant coefficients.
  • One participant indicates that solving the equations with specific numerical values would be easier than finding a general solution with the coefficients.
  • A participant proposes writing the system in matrix form, explaining the relationship between the vector of functions and the matrix of coefficients, and mentions the solution for scalar and matrix differential equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of comfort with the problem, with some finding it manageable under certain conditions while others indicate that the general case is more challenging. There is no consensus on the best approach to take, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall complexity of the equations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the potential difficulty of writing a general solution involving the coefficients, while others focus on specific methods like operator notation and matrix representation. The discussion does not resolve the assumptions or dependencies on the definitions of the terms used.

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I have 4 difftiate equations now I want to solve them but i have no idea
dx/dt=ax+by
dy/dt=cy+dz
dz/dt=ez+fu
du/dt=gu+hx

Given that a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h are constants.
x,y,z,u are functions(t)
This problme will appraer in thenext exam, I am sure, my taecher emphasized it many times .
Hitn me please.
 
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Can you solve a pair of such equations?
 
Bimbar said:
I have 4 difftiate equations now I want to solve them but i have no idea
dx/dt=ax+by
dy/dt=cy+dz
dz/dt=ez+fu
du/dt=gu+hx

Given that a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h are constants.
x,y,z,u are functions(t)
This problme will appraer in thenext exam, I am sure, my taecher emphasized it many times .
Hitn me please.
Please do not double post!
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=109061 in Precalculus Mathematics is enough!
But do you study this in precalculus by the way?
 
4 gets a bit complicated!

A way to get a handle on them is to use "operator" notation. Replace the derivative by the symbol "D" (for derivative of course!) :
Dx=ax+by
Dy=cy+dz
Dz=ez+fu
Du=gu+hx
and treat the "D" as if it were a constant (as long as you are dealing with "linear equations with constant coefficients" that works!) and solve the equations for x, y, z, u: the result will involve powers of D. Replace the D by the derivative again (i.e. Dx= dx/dt, D2x= d2/dt, etc.) and solve the resulting differential equations in a single function.
 
Is problem easy to you ?
 
IF I were given specific numbers in the four equations, yes, it would be easy for me. If I were required to write a general solution including the coefficients, a- h, it would be tedious be nothing especially difficult.

Hurkyl asked before, "Can you solve a pair of such equations?". In other words is just that there are so many equations or do you not understand the concepts involved?
 
You can write it in matrix form:
<br /> \left[<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> \frac{dx}{dt}\\<br /> \frac{dy}{dt}\\<br /> \frac{dz}{dt}\\<br /> \frac{du}{dt}<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]<br /> =<br /> \left[<br /> \begin{array}{cccc}<br /> a &amp; b &amp; 0 &amp; 0\\<br /> 0 &amp; c &amp; d &amp; 0\\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; e &amp; f\\<br /> h &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; g<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]<br /> \cdot<br /> \left[<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> x\\<br /> y\\<br /> z\\<br /> u<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]<br />

or

\vec {\frac{dv}{dt}} = A\cdot\vec{v}

The solution of the scalar equation:

\frac{dv}{dt} = av
is
v=e^{at}\cdot v_0

Similarly, the solution of the matrix differential equation is:
\vec{v} = e^{At}\cdot \vec{v_0}
where
e^{At} = I + At + \frac{A^2t^2}{2!} + \frac{A^3t^3}{3!}+ ...
 
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