Solving a Bessel Function DE in Electromagnetism | Cylindrical Coordinates

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation related to electromagnetism that resembles a Bessel function in the context of cylindrical coordinates. Participants explore methods for separation of variables and the implications of boundary conditions on the solution.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a differential equation that appears to derive from the Laplacian in cylindrical coordinates, suggesting a series solution might be appropriate.
  • Another participant recommends starting with a separation of variables ansatz to tackle the problem.
  • A further reply elaborates on assuming a solution of the form E(r,t) = R(r)T(t) and emphasizes the need to separate variables to form two ordinary differential equations (ODEs).
  • It is noted that the time-dependent part of the solution will influence the sign of the separation constant based on boundary conditions.
  • A participant expresses that their equation resembles the Laplacian in cylindrical coordinates and mentions that the general solution involves Bessel functions.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions under which E(r,t) can be separable, with a participant questioning the presence of terms like (kx-wt) in the solution.
  • One participant proposes a variable substitution, y = rE, leading to a modified form of the differential equation.
  • A later post introduces a mathematical identity related to Bessel functions, indicating a potential area of exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of separation of variables and the relevance of Bessel functions, but there are varying opinions on the implications of boundary conditions and the form of the solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the next steps and specific solution forms.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of boundary conditions on the separability of the solution, and there are assumptions about the nature of the solutions that remain unexamined.

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I have a problem in electromagnetism giving a DE that looks something like a Lapacian or a Bessel function, I'm told. It derives from cylindrical coordinates.

[tex].\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \left( \partial_{r} ^2 + \frac{1}{r}\partial_{r} - \frac{1}{r^2}\right)E = \frac{1}{c^2}\partial_{t}^2 E\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ E=E(r,t) \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ .[/tex]

I don't know where to start. A series solution would be OK too.
 
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well you can start by doing separation of variables ansatz.
 
Assume a solution of the form [itex]E(r,t) = R(r)T(t)[/itex] and plug that into the DE. Then, separate all terms that depend on r from all terms that depend on t on opposite sides of the equal sign. The two sides have to be equal to a constant, since if you vary r on one side, then in order for it to be equal to all the terms that depend on T on the other side, t would have to change unless both sides were constant.

You thus get two sepearte ODEs, one for R(r) and one for T(t), which you can then solve. The T one should be easy, and the R one probably gives you a bessel function solution.
 
and from the time part of the function, you will see what sign your separation constant must be in order to fulfill the BC's of the time part.
 
Thank you both.

My equation derives from

[tex]\partial_{r} \frac{1}{r} \partial_{r} \left( rE \right) = \frac{1}{c^2} \partial_{t} ^2 E[/tex]

After some internet research, it looks a lot like the Laplacian in cylindrical coordinates which is

[tex]\frac{1}{r} \partial_{r} \left( r\partial_{r} E \right) = 0[/tex]

The general solution to this one is a linear combination of the Bessel function of the first kind and the Bessel function of the second kind.

For E(r,t) to be separable as R(r)T(t) there can't be solutions having terms such as (kx-wt), right? However, the first approximation is separable as

[tex]E= E_{0} \frac{r_{0}}{r}exp(iwt)[/tex], where I included some boundary conditions.

Any hints for what I need to do next?
 
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After flailing about I noticed I could do a variable replacement [tex]\ y=rE}[/tex].

Does this look at all familiar to anyone, in whole or part??

[tex]. \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \frac{\partial ^2 y}{\partial r^2}-\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial y}{\partial r}= \frac{1}{c^2}\frac{\partial ^2 y}{\partial t^2}[/tex]

The boundary condition is [tex]y=y_{0}\ exp(i \omega t)[/tex]
 
prove
J-n(x) = (-1)nJn(x);
 

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