Solving a Ladder Problem: Finding Max Tension in a Rope

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a uniform ladder leaning against a wall, with a rope attached to its base. The objective is to determine the tension in the rope as a man climbs the ladder, particularly focusing on finding the maximum tension when the ladder is about to slip.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using moments of forces about various points to analyze the system. There is a suggestion to consider both ends of the ladder for simplification. One participant expresses uncertainty about the relationship between tension and the conditions leading to maximum tension.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes attempts to set up equations based on forces and torques, with one participant noting a realization of a mistake in their approach. Guidance has been offered regarding the selection of points for analysis, but no consensus has been reached on the maximum tension aspect.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the challenge of addressing multiple physics problems within a limited time frame, indicating potential constraints on their understanding and problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement


A uniform ladder of weight WL and length L has its top against a vertical wall with friction coefficient
μW and its foot on a smooth horizontal floor. A rope is attached to the foot of the ladder and secured
to the base of the wall, with the ladder making an angle α with the horizontal. If a man of weight WM
climbs the ladder, determine the tension in the rope when the man has climbed a distance d up the
ladder. What is the maximum tension in the rope?


Homework Equations


F=ma, applied to the contact with the wall, the floor and rope.


The Attempt at a Solution


So i know i have to use the moments of a force about a point, and that point doesn't matter, but itd be really helpful to show me which one is the easiest from a solving purpose. I need help with the maximum tension in the rope part, can't think of anything to be honest.
 
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Pick your favorite point! Just do it. (Hint: Pick one end of the ladder. Even better, pick both.)

In addition to moments, use force equations.
 
Ok, I am getting that T = R (normal with vertical wall) as there are no other forces in that direction. But that seems a bit simple no? Is the maximum tension in the string, the tension just before it breaks yes? So the tension when the the ladder is about to slip?

This is what happens when you leave 15 physics questions until the last night of your christmas break. Hahahahah.

Edit- My equations;
T = R
N - Wm- Wl+ Fr= 0

Torques at Foot of ladder;
-RLSina= WmDCosa +1/2. Wl LCosa
 
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Found my mistake, easy enough in the end.
 
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