Solving a PDE with ODE: Discontinuity at x=0?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of solving a partial differential equation (PDE) using a separable approach that leads to a specific ordinary differential equation (ODE). Participants explore the implications of boundary conditions, continuity requirements, and the existence of non-trivial solutions, particularly focusing on the behavior at the discontinuity at x=0.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the ODE X'' - rX = 0 with boundary conditions X(+/-infty) = 0, arguing for a solution of the form exp(-sqrt(r)|x|, which introduces a discontinuity at x=0.
  • Another participant notes that the second-order ODE should yield two linearly independent solutions, but questions the boundary conditions leading to a trivial solution (X=0) and highlights the undefined derivative at x=0.
  • A different participant discusses retaining only the solution with the negative exponent and modifying it to maintain boundary conditions and evenness, yet acknowledges the resulting discontinuity at x=0.
  • One participant emphasizes that constants in the general solution cannot change across the domain, arguing that any discontinuity at x=0 invalidates the linear combination of solutions.
  • A later reply suggests that if no non-trivial solution exists under the given boundary conditions, it raises the question of whether a separable solution is possible or if elementary functions can describe the solution.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no non-trivial solution, reiterating that all solutions are linear combinations of the base functions, while also suggesting the possibility of non-separable solutions.
  • One participant proposes that in certain contexts, such as fluid dynamics, the physical meaning of the solution may allow for different solutions in disconnected regions.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the existence of non-trivial solutions and the implications of the boundary conditions. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the nature of the solutions and the treatment of discontinuities.

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Participants highlight limitations related to the boundary conditions and the continuity requirements of the solutions, as well as the potential for non-separable solutions that may not adhere to the established framework.

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As part of a separable solution to a PDE, I get the following ODE:

X''-rX=0 (*),

with -infty<x<infty and the boundary condition X(+/-infty)=0 (X is an odd function here). Thus I have assumed r>0 to avoid the periodic solution, cos. I, therefore, argue that the solution is the symmetric ~exp(-sqrt(r)|x|). This, however, has a discontinuity at x=0 which, seems to me, contrasts with (*) which implies X' and X'' must be continuous across x=0.

Any ideas? (Many thanks.)
 
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It's a second order ODE, so you should get two linearly independent solutions, and the general solution will be a linear combination of these. However, the requirement that the function goes to zero at both infinity and negative infinity will force a trivial solution (X=0), so you should make sure these are the right BC's. Note that your solution is valid everywhere but x=0, where the derivative is not defined.
 
From the two linearly independent solutions (exp(-ax), exp(ax)) I retain only the one with the negative exponent, because the positive one blows up at infty and patch the other one up by letting y->|y|, so that both the boundary conditions at +/-infty and the evenness of the solution are reproduced. This, nevertheless, as I said, results in a discontinuity at x=0 which appears to be in disagreement with the DE.
 
The general solution will be of the form A exp(-ax) + B exp(ax), where A and B are constants. You can't have something like A=1 for x>0 and A=0 for x<0, because then A is not a constant. Such a solution would satisfy the DE for x<0 or for x>0, but at x=0, the derivative of A is not zero (it is not defined), and so the function is not a linear combination of the base solutions. As I said, the only solution that is valid everywhere and satisfies the BCs is X=0.
 
If a non-trivial solution that fits the boundary conditions X(+/-infty)=0, X(x)=X(-x) cannot be provided in this way, does this mean that the solution simply cannot be given in terms of elementary functions or that no separable solution exists for the original PDE?

Very grateful.
 
No, there is no non-trivial solution. When we say that all solutions are linear combinations of these two base functions, we mean exactly that. It just so happens that every possible solution to this ODE has a nice form. I'm not sure what your PDE is, and it may be as you say that there simply aren't any seperable solutions, but there still could be other solutions that aren't seperable.

Another option is that you may not care whether some point in the domain satisfies the ODE (for example, if you are looking at a fluid velocity field, the field inside a solid object is not physically meaningful), and then you can uapply different solutions in the different (disconnected) regions (eg, x>0 and x<0, like the function in your first post)
 

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