Solving a Recurrence: $a_0 = 2$

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The discussion revolves around solving a recurrence relation defined by $a_0 = 2$ and $a_{n+1} = 2a_{n} + \sqrt{3(a_n)^2 - 12}$ for $n \in \Bbb{N}$. Participants explore methods to derive a closed form for the sequence and investigate properties such as whether all members are integers.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about the appropriate category for the problem, suggesting it may not fit neatly into Discrete Math.
  • One participant proposes a method to find limits by dropping subscripts, although they note that the limit does not exist as the sequence is increasing.
  • Another participant emphasizes the original goal of demonstrating that all members of the sequence are integers while also seeking a closed form for the recurrence.
  • A participant rewrites the recurrence to analyze it further, introducing a function $\delta(a_{n-1})$ to account for adjustments in the recurrence and deriving an expression involving sums and approximations.
  • There is a discussion about bounding the error term in the derived expression, with a focus on the asymptotic behavior of the sequence and the approximation of $\delta(z)$.
  • Participants explore the implications of their findings and how they relate to existing sequences, referencing an OEIS entry for further context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a closed form for the recurrence. Multiple approaches and interpretations are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the sequence and its properties.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the behavior of the sequence, particularly regarding the convergence and the nature of the error term in the approximations. The discussion also highlights the complexity of deriving a closed form from the recurrence relation.

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Not sure if Discrete Math is the correct category, but I'm looking for some idea / hint on how to tackle the following recurrence.

$a_0 = 2$, and $a_{n+1} = 2a_{n} + \sqrt{3(a_n)^2 - 12}$ for $n \in \Bbb{N}$.

Some attempts to massage the equation got me: $(a_{n+1}-a_n)^2 = 2a_na_{n+1} - 12$, which is equally messy.
 
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magneto said:
Not sure if Discrete Math is the correct category, but I'm looking for some idea / hint on how to tackle the following recurrence.

$a_0 = 2$, and $a_{n+1} = 2a_{n} + \sqrt{3(a_n)^2 - 12}$ for $n \in \Bbb{N}$.

Some attempts to massage the equation got me: $(a_{n+1}-a_n)^2 = 2a_na_{n+1} - 12$, which is equally messy.
What do you want to do? If it is to find the limit for an, then a nice 'trick' is to just drop all the subscripts. That is, if an goes to a as n goes to infinity, so does an-1, an-2, an-3, ..., an-k for any fixed k. Of course, that only works if there is a 'nice' limit. However this an goes to infinity which is not nice.

EDIT: Read more here
A003500 - OEIS
 
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The original question was to show all members of the sequence are integers. However, I am interested in a "closed form" formula for this recurrence. (Since the sequence is increasing, its limit does not exist.)
 
magneto said:
The original question was to show all members of the sequence are integers. However, I am interested in a "closed form" formula for this recurrence. (Since the sequence is increasing, its limit does not exist.)
See EDIT above
 
Some thoughts: if you rewrite the equation as:
$$a_n = 2a_{n - 1} + \sqrt{3a_{n - 1}^2} - \delta(a_{n - 1})$$
Where $\delta$ is defined for $z \geq 2$ as:
$$\delta(z) = \sqrt{3z^2} - \sqrt{3z^2 - 12}$$
Then we have:
$$a_n = 2a_{n - 1} + \sqrt{3} a_{n - 1} - \delta(a_{n - 1}) = (2 + \sqrt{3}) a_{n - 1} - \delta(a_{n - 1})$$
Expanding out we find:
$$a_n = (2 + \sqrt{3}) \left ( (2 + \sqrt{3}) a_{n - 2} - \delta(a_{n - 2}) \right ) - \delta(a_{n - 1})$$
$$a_n = (2 + \sqrt{3})^2 a_{n - 2} - (2 + \sqrt{3})\delta(a_{n - 2}) - \delta(a_{n - 1})$$
Iterating we (eventually) get:
$$a_n = 2 \cdot (2 + \sqrt{3})^n - \sum_{k = 1}^n (2 + \sqrt{3})^{k - 1} \delta(a_{n - k})$$
So now the problem is to bound the error term in the sum. We see that $\delta(z)$ tends to $2 \sqrt{3} / z$ quite quickly, which combined with the asymptotic growth of the sequence of $a_m \approx (2 + \sqrt{3})^m$ yields the good approximation:
$$\delta(a_m) \approx \frac{2 \sqrt{3}}{(2 + \sqrt{3})^m}$$
Allowing us to approximate our expression as:
$$a_n \approx 2 \cdot (2 + \sqrt{3})^n - \sum_{k = 1}^n (2 + \sqrt{3})^{k - 1} \frac{2 \sqrt{3}}{(2 + \sqrt{3})^{n - k}} = 2 \cdot (2 + \sqrt{3})^n - \frac{2 \sqrt{3}}{(2 + \sqrt{3})^{n + 1}} \sum_{k = 1}^n (2 + \sqrt{3})^{2k}$$
Which is a geometric series, and we get:
$$a_n \approx 2 \cdot (2 + \sqrt{3})^n - \frac{(2 + \sqrt{3})^{2n} - 1}{(2 + \sqrt{3})^{n + 1}} \left [ \frac{12 + 7 \sqrt{3}}{3 + 2 \sqrt{3}} \right ]$$
Which seems to be a good, if not exact approximation, and probably actually reduces to the closed form in John Harris' OEIS link.​
 

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