Solving a Separable 2nd Order Differential Equation

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The discussion revolves around the difficulty of solving a specific second-order differential equation arising from a physics problem. The equation in question is related to the motion of a point mass in a gravitational field, and participants explore potential methods for finding a solution, including both analytical and numerical approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation d^2(y)/(dt)^2 = k * y * (y^2 + c)^-1.5 and expresses difficulty in solving it, having experience only with separable first-order differential equations.
  • Another participant suggests that the equation may not be solvable analytically and proposes that a numerical solution could be acceptable.
  • A different participant offers a method involving multiplying by y prime and integrating, leading to a derived expression for y prime squared and a subsequent integral for x in terms of y.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the tractability of the derived integral, noting an expectation for a cleaner solution, and provides context about the equation's origin related to plotting the position of a point mass.
  • Another participant remains optimistic about the possibility of finding a solution through clever substitutions, indicating that solutions may still be possible despite the challenges presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the solvability of the differential equation. While some suggest it may not have an analytical solution, others propose alternative methods and remain hopeful about finding a solution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the equation and the potential for various approaches, but it remains unclear whether any assumptions or specific conditions have been fully articulated or agreed upon.

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In an investigation of a physics problem, I ran into the following equation:

d^2(y)/(dt)^2 = k * y * (y^2 + c)^-1.5

I know how to solve separable first order differential equations but this one seems to be beyond me. Assistance?
 
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hmm I don't think that one can be solved analytically, can you settle for a numeric answer?
 
Well, one thing you can do is multiply by y prime

[tex]y^{\prime} y^{\prime \prime} = \frac{k y y^{\prime}}{(y^2 + c)^\frac{3}{2}}[/tex]

and then integrate to get

[tex]\frac{1}{2} y^{\prime 2} = - \frac{k}{\sqrt{y^2 + c}} + A[/tex]

where A is a constant of integration.

You can then square root the y prime square, pull over all the y stuff on one side (and integrate again) to get x as some horrendous integral in y.

i.e.,

[tex]x = \int{\frac{dy}{\sqrt{2(A- \frac{k}{\sqrt{y^2 + c}})}}}[/tex]

or rather

[tex]x = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \int{\sqrt{\frac{\sqrt{y^2 +c}}{A \sqrt{y^2 +c} - k }} dy}[/tex]
Other than that, I dunno.
 
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That looks intractable. I expected there to be a "clean" or closed (or whatever you call it) solution. This equation arose from me trying to plot the position of a point mass in a field generated by another point mass. The y is the vertical position (the reference point mass is at the origin and is stationary).
 
With the use of a clever substitution, it may yet be soluble. You never know.
 

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