Solving absolute value equations

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The discussion focuses on solving absolute value equations, specifically the equation |2x+6|-|x+3|=|x|. Participants explore various cases based on the values of x and the implications of those cases on the solutions of the equation.

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  • One participant outlines the cases for |2x+6|, |x+3|, and |x| based on the intervals of x, questioning the validity of certain cases.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial approach and suggests evaluating each absolute value case-by-case, leading to four possible equations.
  • A third participant simplifies the left side of the equation and identifies three cases, noting the lack of solutions in some intervals.
  • There is a discussion about the validity of intervals and whether certain assumptions lead to valid equations, with one participant expressing confusion about the implications of x being less than -3.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the conditions under which certain equations yield no solutions, particularly in the context of the intervals defined by the absolute values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of breaking down the absolute value equation into cases, but there is some disagreement and confusion regarding the implications of certain intervals and the validity of solutions derived from them.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the relationship between the intervals and the resulting equations, particularly in cases where no solutions exist. The discussion highlights the complexity of handling absolute values and the importance of carefully considering the conditions for each case.

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Is this a correct a way of thinking for solving absolute value equations? Say I have |2x+6|-|x+3|=|x| and want to solve for x, then I have:

For |2x+6|
2x + 6 if x ≥ -3
-2x - 6 if x < -3

For |x+3|
x+3 if x ≥ -3
-x-3 if x<-3

For |x|
x if x ≥ 0
-x if x < 0

Am I supposed to look at the cases where x is in a valid interval? e.g. I can't have 2x+6-(x+3) = x because x can't be equal to or greater than both 0 and 3.

If this is the case, then why can't I have (-2x-6) - (-x+3) = -x? This is where x<-3 and x<0, isn't this valid? If x is less than -3 then it's also less than 0
 
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Yes, that is also a valid equation for x. You just have to look at each case, evaluating one absolute value at a time.
If |2x+6|-|x+3|=|x|, then 2x + 6 - |x + 3| = |x| when x >= -3 and -2x - 6 - |x + 3| = |x| when x < -3.
Now we evaluate |x + 3| in this pair of equations to get four possibilities:
2x + 6 - x - 3 = |x| when x >=-3 and x >= - 3
2x + 6 + x + 3 = |x| when x >=-3 and x < - 3
-2x - 6 - x - 3 = |x| when x < -3 and x >= - 3
-2x - 6 + x + 3 = |x| when x < -3 and x < -3
Out of the four, only the first and last equations correspond to real values of x. Now we evaluate the |x| in each of those two equations to get four possibilities:
2x + 6 - x - 3 = x when x >= -3 and x >= 0
2x + 6 - x - 3 = -x when x >= -3 and x < 0
-2x - 6 + x + 3 = x when x < -3 and x >= 0
-2x - 6 + x + 3 = -x when x < -3 and x < 0
The third equation does not correspond to any values of x, so we now have 3 equations without absolute values whose solutions are the same as those of the original equation with absolute values.
x + 3 = x when x >= 0
x + 3 = -x when x >= -3 and x < 0
-x - 3 = -x when x < -3
Since the first and last equation have no solutions, the middle equation contains the only valid solution for the original equation.
 
The left side can be simplified. |2x+6| - |x+3| = |x+3|.

So you have |x+3| = |x|.

You have 3 cases.
x < -3, -x -3 = -x, (no solution)
-3 < x < 0, x + 3 = -x or x = -3/2
0 < x, x+3 = x, (no solution)
 
Thank you for the replies, I don't want to sound arrogant or anything but at the moment I'm kind of more interested in whether the way I currently think of it is accepted and if it is, why the last part of my initial post doesn't make sense (aside from the fact that you just can't get a solution when you solve it, I'm more interested in the intervals)
 
autodidude said:
Is this a correct a way of thinking for solving absolute value equations? Say I have |2x+6|-|x+3|=|x| and want to solve for x, then I have:

For |2x+6|
2x + 6 if x ≥ -3
-2x - 6 if x < -3

For |x+3|
x+3 if x ≥ -3
-x-3 if x<-3

For |x|
x if x ≥ 0
-x if x < 0
Yes, that's all true.

Am I supposed to look at the cases where x is in a valid interval? e.g. I can't have 2x+6-(x+3) = x because x can't be equal to or greater than both 0 and 3.

If this is the case, then why can't I have (-2x-6) - (-x+3) = -x? This is where x<-3 and x<0, isn't this valid? If x is less than -3 then it's also less than 0
That's perfectly valid. If x< -3, then it is also less than 0 so all three of |2x+6|= -2x- 6, |x+3|= -x-3, and |x|= -x. The equation becomes -2x- 6- (-x- 3)= -x. That gives -x- 9= -x, which, since the two "-x" terms cancel, reduces to -9= 0 which is false for all x. Therefore, there is NO x<-3 satisfying the equation.

If -3< x< 0, |2x+ 6|= 2x+ 6 and |x+3|= x+ 3 but |x| is still -x. The equation becomes 2x+ 6- (x+3)= -x. That gives x+ 3= -x which reduces to 2x= -3= or x= -3/2. Since that is between -3 and 0, that is a valid solution: |2x+6|-|x+3|= |-3+ 6|-|-3/2|= 3- 3/2= 3/2= |-3/2|.

If 0< x, |2x+ 6|= 2x+ 6, |x+3|= x+ 3, and |x|= x. The equation becomes 2x+ 6- (x+3)= x. That gives x+ 3= x or 3= 0. Again, that is not true so there is no x larger than 0 that satisfies the equation.

It is not a matter of "x< -3" not being valid- it is simply that, in that case, the equation reduces to one that has no solution.
 
^ Ah ok, I was thinking all valid intervals yielded valid equations...thank you
 

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