Solving Aircraft Guidance in a Crosswind

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The discussion revolves around solving a problem related to aircraft guidance in a crosswind scenario, focusing on the relationship between the aircraft's velocity, wind velocity, and their respective components. Participants are exploring how to express these velocities mathematically and how they interact as the aircraft navigates through the wind.

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  • Participants are attempting to express the velocities of the aircraft and wind in terms of their components and are discussing the implications of these expressions. There is a focus on the correct use of trigonometric functions to represent the velocities in the x and y directions. Some participants are questioning their initial assumptions and calculations, particularly regarding the signs and values used in their equations.

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I want to piggyback from this thread:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/aircraft-guidance-in-a-crosswind.198836/

this is the question I am attempting to solve, however this thread has been locked

I have found that you can express the two velocities the following way at any point in the planes path:

V(ynet)= (velocity of aircraft)(sin(theta))+V(wind) where theta is the angle between the direction of the aircraft and the x axis, this angle changes as the aircraft reaches its destination

V(xnet)=(velocity of aircraft)(sin(theta))

I suppose now I can use the hint and divide these two equations? how would I go about doing this?
thank you
 
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I can't really set up your problem statement.
Let's use the terms air speed and ground speed - and be careful in differentiating velocities (vectors) from speeds (scalars).

So:
Va: Aircraft velocity relative to the air mass (vector).
Vg: Aircraft velocity relative to ground (vector).
Vw: Airmass velocity (vector, wind).
Then: Vg = Va+Vw

Each of these velocities can be separated into X and Y (lat/long) coordinates and even Z. The addition works in each case.
Vgx = Vax+Vwx
Vgy = Vay+Vwy

If you do have speed and bearing versus velocity, then convert:
Sa: Aircraft speed through the air mass.
Ha: Heading (clockwise from North) of the aircraft.
Vax = Sa*cos(Ha)
Vay = Sa*sin(Ha)
 
I made a mistake, to find the V in the x-axis I put sin(theta). It should be cos(theta), other than that our equations are pretty much the same, only difference is that we already know that Vwx=0 because the vector of the wind is perpendicular to the initial direction of the aircraft. Take a look at the original problem format and my drawing.
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great hints, okay so I let aircraft speed be 10 and wind speed be 1 so as to satisfy the ratio of 0.1 for γ.
this is what I get
dy/dt = 10 sin(θ)+1
dx/dt = 10 cos(θ)
sin and cos can be expressed as ratios so:
dy/dt = 10 y/(sqrt(x2 + y2)) +1
dx/dt = 10 x/(sqrt(x2 + y2))
and then using a hint from the book i get
dy/dx =(y/x+sqrt(x2 + y2)/10x)
this is a homogeneous equation, with a little bit of algebra i make it into the following form
dy/dx = y/x + (sqrt(1+(y/x)2)/10)
let
v=y/x
v + (sqrt(1+v2)/10)
and
dy/dx=v+x dv/dx
so
v+x dv/dx = v + (sqrt(1+v2)/10)
v cancels
x dv/dx = (sqrt(1+v2)/10)
separate variables we end up with the two integrals which come out to be
10sinh-1(y/x)= ln(x)+c
are there any mistakes? how do I take y out of the hypebolic sin?
P.s. I'll get back to you in maybe 2 days, I have other things to take care of, I appreciate it
 
I'm back, I then I take the sinh of both sides and get

y/x =sinh(10ln(x)+c)

plug in initial conditions of y=0 and x=2,
0=sinh(10ln(2)+c)
therefore c must be -10ln(2)

the final equation is then y=xsinh(10ln(x)-10ln(2))

this doesn't look like what you graphed earlier, am I missing something?
 
I realized I have the wrong number, instead of 10 it should be 1/10. when I fix that I get the same thing you got but with the signs the other way around. How did you get a negative infront of the .5ln(x), considering that we need the inside of the trig function to be zero then the c has to equal -ln(2) when y=0 and x=2. when I graph this one, my graph looks as if the wind is blowing downward but with the same shape as yours.
 
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jonathanM111 said:
I realized I have the wrong number, instead of 10 it should be 1/10. when I fix that I get the same thing you got but with the signs the other way around. How did you get a negative infront of the .5ln(x), considering that we need the inside of the trig function to be zero then the c has to equal -ln(2) when y=0 and x=2. when I graph this one, my graph looks as if the wind is blowing downward but with the same shape as yours.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Plot[x+Sinh[(0.1)(ln(x/2))],+{x,+0,+2}]
 
I know the culprit, at the very beginning there should be a minus sign in front of the V(velocity of wind)
 

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