Solving Complex Diff EQ: z'(t) = az(t) Explanation & Books

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The discussion centers on solving the complex differential equation z'(t) = az(t), where a is a complex constant. Participants explore various methods for solving this equation, including separating real and imaginary parts, using Euler's formula, and justifying the separation of variables in the context of complex integration. The scope includes theoretical aspects of differential equations and their application in dynamical systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about the justification for separating z into its real and imaginary components when solving z' = az.
  • Others propose that the rules for differential equations apply in the complex plane, suggesting that splitting z is not necessary.
  • A participant mentions that all solutions to z' = az can be expressed as z = Ke^(at), indicating a direct method of solving the equation.
  • There is a discussion about the complexities of defining complex integration and the multivalued nature of the logarithm function in the context of separation of variables.
  • One participant provides a detailed derivation using the principal value of the logarithm to justify the separation of variables, leading to the solution z = z_0 e^(at).
  • Another participant explains the relationship between the complex logarithm and the exponential function, emphasizing the need to understand these concepts for solving the ODE.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether separating z into real and imaginary parts is necessary or beneficial. Multiple competing views on the approach to solving the differential equation remain, with some advocating for direct methods and others exploring the implications of complex analysis.

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Limitations include the unresolved nature of the justification for separation of variables in the complex context and the dependence on the definitions of complex logarithms and integration techniques.

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Readers interested in complex differential equations, dynamical systems, and the application of complex analysis in solving mathematical problems may find this discussion beneficial.

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So z'(t) = x'(t) + i y'(t), I just want to make sure that what I'm going to do is OK. I'm trying to solve z' = az where a = \alpha + i \beta

z'(t) = az(t) \Rightarrow x'(t) + iy'(t) = a(x(t) + iy(t)) \Rightarrow x'(t) = a x(t), y'(t) = a y(t)

If you could give me a justification that'll be nice. I feel like what I'm doing is instinctual rather than "I'm following the rules" if that makes any sense.

I mean I've already broken this into the system

\begin{pmatrix} x' \\ y' \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \alpha & -\beta\\ \beta & \alpha \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} x \\ y \end{pmatrix}

and I know what the general solution looks like here. I'm just trying to compare the two methods. I'm taking an introductory course in Dynamical Systems. Also any suggested books that discusses Solving Differential equations with complex variables will be great.
 
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BrainHurts said:
So z'(t) = x'(t) + i y'(t), I just want to make sure that what I'm going to do is OK. I'm trying to solve z' = az where a = \alpha + i \beta

z'(t) = az(t) \Rightarrow x'(t) + iy'(t) = a(x(t) + iy(t)) \Rightarrow x'(t) = a x(t), y'(t) = a y(t)

If you could give me a justification that'll be nice. I feel like what I'm doing is instinctual rather than "I'm following the rules" if that makes any sense.

I mean I've already broken this into the system

\begin{pmatrix} x' \\ y' \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \alpha & -\beta\\ \beta & \alpha \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} x \\ y \end{pmatrix}

and I know what the general solution looks like here. I'm just trying to compare the two methods. I'm taking an introductory course in Dynamical Systems. Also any suggested books that discusses Solving Differential equations with complex variables will be great.
Is there some reason you can't solve this directly?

If z' = az, then all solutions are given by z = Keat.
 
Rules for differential equations usually extend to the complex plane. You don't need to split z into its real and complex parts. If you really want to, you could split the solution into a real and a complex part using Euler's formula.
 
Mark44 said:
Is there some reason you can't solve this directly?

If z' = az, then all solutions are given by z = Keat.

By directly do you mean separation of variables? \dfrac{dz}{z} = a dt. First we need to define complex integration which would require line integration. I think that's what you mean right? Thing is, antiderivatives are a little more trickier in \mathbb{C} than they are with straight up real valued functions. If someone could elaborate on this more that'll be great. I guess what I'm trying to say is, how does one justify the separation of variables, since log(z) is multivalued?

I mean you do get z(t) = z_0 e^{a t} when you solve x' = ax, y'= ay. I'm just trying to justify this all.

Bigfoot I don't understand what you mean?

I mean suppose we don't know that z(t) = z_0 e^{at}, what do you mean by euler's formula? Do you mean let z=re^{i \theta}?
 
BrainHurts said:
By directly do you mean separation of variables? \dfrac{dz}{z} = a dt. First we need to define complex integration which would require line integration. I think that's what you mean right? Thing is, antiderivatives are a little more trickier in \mathbb{C} than they are with straight up real valued functions. If someone could elaborate on this more that'll be great. I guess what I'm trying to say is, how does one justify the separation of variables, since log(z) is multivalued?

I mean you do get z(t) = z_0 e^{a t} when you solve x' = ax, y'= ay. I'm just trying to justify this all.
If z(t) = z0eat, it's easy to verify that z' = az, which should be a reasonable justification that z(t) is a solution of the diff. equation. As far as the ln function having multiple values when the argument is complex, you can choose the principal value.
BrainHurts said:
Bigfoot I don't understand what you mean?

I mean suppose we don't know that z(t) = z_0 e^{at}, what do you mean by euler's formula? Do you mean let z=re^{i \theta}?
##e^{at} = e^{(\alpha + i\beta) t} = e^{\alpha t} \cdot e^{i \beta t} = e^{\alpha t}(cos(\beta t) + i sin(\beta t)##. I believe that's what @bigfooted was referring to.
 
Thanks Mark, shortly after I saw that I did the work and Now I'm convinced x' = ax and y' = ay is now justified.

Now suppose we chose the principal value log, will that then justify the separation of variables? I feel like what I'm about to do is a little naive, but let's give it a shot

\displaystyle{\int \dfrac{dz}{z}} = Log (z) = \ln r + i \Theta

So here's where I'm at

\displaystyle{\int \dfrac{dz}{z}} = \int a dt \Rightarrow Log(z) = at + C , let z = re^{i\theta}, C = x_0 + iy_0

\ln r + i\Theta = at + C = (\alpha + i \beta)t + x_0 + iy_0

So

\ln r = \alpha t + x_0 \Rightarrow r = e^{\alpha t + x_0}, \Theta = \beta t + y_0

z = e^{\alpha t + x_0}e^{i(\beta t + y_0)} = e^{x_0 + iy_0} e^{(\alpha +i \beta)t} = z_0 e^{a t}

I suppose I get what I want if I reduce the argument to the principal value. In other words, I may justify separation of variables almost.
 
Not my area of expertise, but here it goes:
the complex logarithm is defined as Log(z)=\ln r + i\theta = \ln |z| + i \arg z.
Now let's show that some results 'look' the same in complex and real variables:
e^{Log z} = e^{\ln |z| + i \arg z} = e^{\ln |z|} e^{i \arg z} = |z|e^{i \arg z}=z

OK. We'll need that later.

So we know that e^{Log z} = z. Now let's take the derivative on both sides:
(e^{Log z})' = (z)'
e^{Log z}\cdot(Log z)' = 1
So (Log z)' = \frac{1}{e^{Log z}} = \frac{1}{z}

so: \int {\frac{1}{z}dz} = Log z

The derivative of a complex exponential can be derived in a similar way:
(e^{zt})' = ze^{zt}

You can now find the solution of the ODE z'=\alpha z
 
Yeah that looks better!
 

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