Solving Copper (II) Salt Titration Problem

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the determination of the percentage of copper in a Copper (II) salt through a thiosulphate titration. Participants explore the stoichiometric relationships in the reactions involved and the application of equivalents in their calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation involving the amount of thiosulphate used and the resulting weight of copper ions, questioning where their reasoning may have gone wrong.
  • Another participant suggests starting with the balanced equations for the reactions between iodine and thiosulphate, providing the relevant equations.
  • Some participants emphasize following stoichiometry to arrive at the correct answer, while others inquire about the validity of using equivalents in this context.
  • A participant expresses confusion over obtaining different results using stoichiometry versus equivalents, leading to questions about which method is correct.
  • One participant asserts that the stoichiometric approach is correct and critiques the application of equivalents, suggesting that the calculation of equivalents was misapplied.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method for solving the problem, with some advocating for stoichiometry and others exploring the use of equivalents. Disagreement exists regarding the application of these concepts and the resulting calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly concerning the application of equivalents versus stoichiometry and the interpretation of the reactions involved.

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Homework Statement

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The percentage of copper in a Copper (II) salt can be determined by using a thiosulphate titration. 0.305g of a copper (II) salt was dissolved in water and added to an excess of KI solution liberating Iodine. The liberated Iodine required 24.5 ##dm^3## of a 0.1 mole ##dm^{-3}## solution of sodium this sulphate. The percentage of copper, by mass, in the copper (II) salt is:

1. 64.2
2. 51.0
3. 48.4
4. 25.5

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The Attempt at a Solution

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0.1 mole per ##dm^3## means 0.1 mole per litre.

Valence factor for sodium thiosulphate is 2.

So, there are 0.1×2=0.2 eqs of thiosulphate in 1 litre, which basically means the normality is 0.2.

No. of eqs of ##Cu^{2+}## = No. of eqs of Iodine liberated = No. of eqs of thiosulphate used = ##\frac {24.5}{1000} ×0.2 = 4.9 ×10^{-3}##.

So, weight of ##Cu^{2+}## ions = ##4.9 ×10^{-3} ×63.5=0.31115g##, which is greater than the weight of the sample.

Where am I going wrong?
 
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Start by finding the equation of the reaction between iodine and thiosulfate.
 
Borek said:
Start by finding the equation of the reaction between iodine and thiosulfate.
The balanced equations are:
$$2Cu^{2+}+4I^{-} \rightarrow 2CuI+I_2$$
$$2S_2 O_3 ^{2-} +I_2 \rightarrow 2I^{-} +S_2 O_6^{2-} $$
 
Now just follow the stoichiometry.
 
Borek said:
Now just follow the stoichiometry.
Can't I do it by equivalents? Or does that concept fail here?
 
It doesn't fail when applied correctly.
 
Borek said:
It doesn't fail when applied correctly.
Where am I going wrong?
 
Follow the stoichiometry and you will find out.
 
Borek said:
Follow the stoichiometry and you will find out.
By stoichiometry I get answer 25.5.

But if I follow equivalents and do ##4.9×10^{-3}×\dfrac {63.5}{2}## (without reason why I divided by 2), I get 51.0, which is double the first answer.

Which is correct?
 
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I told you - stoichiometry is right. Equivalents are a proxy for stoichiometry, and they can be quite convenient, but not when applied blindly. Your calculation of what the equivalent is was wrong (you calculated an equivalent for the reaction with H+, which is not what is happening here) so you got the wrong answer.
 
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