Solving Cosmology Problem on Page 12 of Damtp.cam.ac.uk

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The discussion revolves around a cosmology problem found on page 12 of a document from DAMTP, focusing on an expression related to redshift (1+z) and its mathematical manipulation. Participants are exploring the implications of a Taylor expansion and the binomial theorem in the context of this problem.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the derivation of z from a given expression and questions the appearance of a new term involving H_0^2(t-t_0)^2. Some participants suggest using Taylor expansion and binomial expansion, while others express confusion about the term "inverting" and the quadratic equation involved.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical aspects of the problem, with some providing insights into the use of Taylor and binomial expansions. There is recognition of the need to include higher-order terms in the expansion, and the discussion is exploring various interpretations of the quadratic equation without reaching a consensus.

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There is mention of potential missing terms in the expansion and the need to clarify the definitions and assumptions related to the terms involved in the equations. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the mathematical steps taken in the original solution.

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I'm looking through the solution to a problem and am stuck with some of the maths.
The solution can be found here:
http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/r.ribeiro/supervisions_files/Cosmo1sol_M2010.pdf

The pages are numbered in the bottom right corner. I am on p12.

We have an expression [itex]1+z \simeq \frac{1}{\dots}[/itex] half way down the page. I can get to here fine.

Then she solves for z. How has she done this? Is it binomial? If so how has that worked? We have two terms here not just the usual [itex](1+x)^n[/itex]

And there is a new term that appears when we solve for z: [itex]H_0^2(t-t_0)^2[/itex]. Where's that from?

Then under that we "invert" to find [itex]t-t_0[/itex] Iliterally have no idea what has happened here!

Thanks for any help!
 
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The first part is just a Taylor expansion in powers of [tex]t-t_0[/tex]. You can use the binomial expansion to do this, but if that's giving you problems just compute the necessary derivatives.

The "inversion" is just solving a quadratic equation. Did you even try working this part out for yourself before posting?
 
fzero said:
The first part is just a Taylor expansion in powers of [tex]t-t_0[/tex]. You can use the binomial expansion to do this, but if that's giving you problems just compute the necessary derivatives.

The "inversion" is just solving a quadratic equation. Did you even try working this part out for yourself before posting?

Hmm. well say you have [itex](1+x)^{-1}=1-x[/itex] where for us [itex]x=H_0(t-t_0) - \frac{1}{2} q_0 H_0^2(t-t_0)^2[/itex]

then [itex](1+x)^{-1}= 1-H_0(t-t_0) - \frac{1}{2} q_0 H_0^2(t-t_0)^2[/itex] but I'm missing a term?And then for the next bit i think i was confused by the word "inverting". Nonetheless, it's a quadratic so we should be able to use [itex]x=\frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}[/itex]

In the form [itex](1+\frac{1}{2}q_0 ) H_0^2 x^2 - H_0 x - z = 0[/itex] with [itex]x=t-t_0[/itex]

we get [itex]x = \frac{H_0 \pm \sqrt{H_0^2 + 4z(1+\frac{1}{2}q_0)}}{(2+q_0)H_0^2}[/itex]
which doesn't look very promising
 
latentcorpse said:
Hmm. well say you have [itex](1+x)^{-1}=1-x[/itex] where for us [itex]x=H_0(t-t_0) - \frac{1}{2} q_0 H_0^2(t-t_0)^2[/itex]

then [itex](1+x)^{-1}= 1-H_0(t-t_0) - \frac{1}{2} q_0 H_0^2(t-t_0)^2[/itex] but I'm missing a term?

You have to include terms of order [tex]x^2[/tex] to obtain all of the terms of order [tex](t-t_0)^2[/tex].

And then for the next bit i think i was confused by the word "inverting". Nonetheless, it's a quadratic so we should be able to use [itex]x=\frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}[/itex]

In the form [itex](1+\frac{1}{2}q_0 ) H_0^2 x^2 - H_0 x - z = 0[/itex] with [itex]x=t-t_0[/itex]

we get [itex]x = \frac{H_0 \pm \sqrt{H_0^2 + 4z(1+\frac{1}{2}q_0)}}{(2+q_0)H_0^2}[/itex]
which doesn't look very promising

They've expanded the square root in powers of [tex]z[/tex].
 

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