Solving Coupled PDEs with Forcing Function - Nick

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The discussion revolves around solving coupled partial differential equations (PDEs) with a forcing function, specifically in the context of surface gravity waves. Participants explore the relationships between the dependent variables \(\eta\) and \(\phi\) under various boundary conditions and the influence of a forcing function that is non-zero only for a limited time interval.

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Main Points Raised

  • Nick presents a system of equations and boundary conditions, seeking a relationship involving just \(\eta\) when a forcing function \(f\) is present.
  • One participant suggests that conditions at the \(t=0\) face of the domain are necessary for a complete solution.
  • Another participant notes that for the case where \(f=0\), the wave equation governing \(\eta(x,t)\) requires knowledge of both \(\eta(x,0)\) and \(\eta_t(x,0)\) to describe the solution.
  • Nick emphasizes that the problem is related to forced, inviscid, irrotational surface gravity waves and is attempting to simplify the problem by concentrating the forcing at a specific point in space and time.
  • A different perspective is introduced regarding the Bernoulli equation and the pressure field, suggesting that resolving the pressure field could lead to finding the vertical velocity \(\phi_z\) at \(z=0\) and subsequently \(\eta(x,t)\).
  • Nick mentions an interest in a simple form of the forcing function, specifically \(F = C_o \delta(x_o,z_o,t_o) \hat{x}\), but indicates limited progress in solving the equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessary conditions for solving the equations, and there is no consensus on the best approach to incorporate the forcing function into the solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific methods to derive the relationship involving \(\eta\) under the influence of the forcing function.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for initial conditions at \(t=0\) and the implications of the forcing function being spatially compact and temporally limited. The discussion also touches on the complexities introduced by the pressure field and its relationship to the governing equations.

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Hi,

I am trying to simplify the following equations to get a relationship involving just [itex]\eta[/itex]:

1) [itex]\nabla^2 \phi(x,z,t) = 0[/itex]

for [itex]x\in [-\infty,\infty][/itex] and [itex]z\in [-\infty,0][/itex], [itex]t \in [0,\infty][/itex]

subject to the boundary conditions

2) [itex]\phi_t+g \eta(x,t) = f(x,z,t)[/itex] at z=0


3) [itex]\eta_t = \phi_z[/itex] at z=0


and

4) [itex]\phi \to 0 \ as \ z \to -\infty[/itex]


Here, g is a constant, [itex]\eta, \phi[/itex] are the dependent variables of the system and f represents a forcing function. Another important constraint is that for systems I'm interested in, f is non zero only for a small time interval.

For the case where f=0, one can find that

[itex]\eta_{tt}-\frac{g}{k} \eta_{xx} =0[/itex]

where k is the wavenumber of the system.

I want to find an analogous relation when forcing is present.

Any help is appreciated,

Nick
 
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Seems to me like you need some conditions on the t=0 face of the domain.
 
In the case where [itex]f=0[/itex] it is clear, from the fact that [itex]\eta(x,t)[/itex] is governed by a wave equation, that we will need to know [itex]\eta (x,0)[/itex] and [itex]\eta_t(x,0)[/itex] to completely describe the (d'alambert) solution. Let us say that before the forcing occurs, we know both [itex]\eta(x,0) , \eta_t(x,0)[/itex].

I do not see how this helps me find the 'particular' solution to this system of equations.


This problem comes from physics - namely, it's the solution to (conservatively) forced, inviscid, irrotational surface gravity waves. The forcing that I'm interested acts in a 'spatially compact' region over a short time, say from [itex][t_o,t_o+\Delta t][/itex]. As a first step, I'm trying to solve this in the limit that the forcing is all concentrated at a particular point in space and time [itex](x_o,z_o,t_o) =(0,0,0)[/itex] but have not made any headway.
 
Also, an alternative way of looking at this problem is the following: The form of the Bernoulli equation in post 1 (condition 2) comes from

[itex]\vec{u}_t=-\frac{1}{\rho} \nabla p + \vec{F}[/itex]

Where [itex]\vec{F} = \vec{\nabla} f[/itex].

The reason I took the route I did in post 1 was to avoid discussion of the pressure field, but an alternative way to look at this problem is by resolving this field. By taking the divergence of the Navier Stokes equation, we find

[itex]\nabla^2 p = \nabla \cdot \vec{F}[/itex]

such that p=0 at z=0 and [itex]\nabla p \to 0[/itex] as [itex]x \to \pm \infty[/itex]

If I can solve for the pressure field, then I can find the vertical velocity, [itex]\phi_z[/itex] at z=0 and then from there resolve the form of [itex]\eta(x,t)[/itex]


I am trying to solve this for a very simple form of the forcing - namely [itex]F = C_o \delta(x_o,z_,t_o) \ \hat{x}[/itex] but have not made much progress.
 

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