Solving d/dx from dy/dx in Maths

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical manipulation of derivatives, specifically how to derive the expression (\frac{d}{dx})[(\frac{1}{x})y] from the equation (\frac{1}{x})(\frac{dy}{dx}) - (\frac{1}{x^2})y. Participants explore the application of differentiation rules such as the product rule and the chain rule in this context.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about simplifying the derivative expression and seeks clarification.
  • Another participant introduces the chain rule as a relevant concept but questions the application in this specific case.
  • A participant acknowledges familiarity with the chain rule but struggles to apply it correctly in conjunction with the product rule.
  • There is a suggestion that recognizing the manipulation may come with practice, indicating a subjective approach to understanding the problem.
  • One participant recalls the quotient rule as a potentially quicker method but is met with skepticism regarding its efficiency in this scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to apply differentiation rules but express differing opinions on which rule is most appropriate and effective for the problem at hand. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to simplify the expression.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various differentiation rules (chain rule, product rule, quotient rule) without reaching a consensus on their application in this specific context. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the most effective method for simplification.

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Hi all,

This is not strictly a DE question, but I came across this while working on one. This isn't the first time I got this and I just can't remember this from my 1st year maths. Some knowledge would be greatly appreciated. In the answer they do the following:

(\frac{1}{x})(\frac{dy}{dx}) - (\frac{1}{x^2})y \Rightarrow<br /> <br /> (\frac{d}{dx})[(\frac{1}{x})y]

Now I want to know how? I just can't simplify it. Silly question, but need the help!

Thanks
 
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Welcome to PF, htdIO! :smile:

Are you familiar with the chain rule?

It is: \frac d {dx} f(y(x)) = \frac {df} {dy} \frac {dy} {dx}

Do you know how to apply this?
 
Hi and thanks!

I do know it. Just not quite sure how I should be applying it here? I've scribbled quite a bit down here now, trying to combine this with the product rule. Or am I heading in the wrong direction?
 
Sorry, you're right. You need to apply the product rule.
Do you know how to apply it to: (\frac{d}{dx})[(\frac{1}{x})y(x)]?
 
Haha, aah thanks. I must be more tired than I thought...
I'm guessing the only way to 'see' this (like they did it), is by recognizing it and a bit of practice?
 
Hah, after all the practice I got, I thought you needed the chain rule!
So much for all that practice! :wink:
 
Halfway through I actually remembered the quotient rule, which should make it quicker ;) Anyway, thanks again for getting me on the right track!
 
Neh, the quotient rule is not quicker in this case.
But good you remembered it! :smile:
 

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