Solving Diff. Eq: Lambda f(y), Lambda g(y) - Get Hypergeometric?

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of differential equations involving functions f(y) and g(y), with the goal of deriving a hypergeometric equation. Participants explore various forms of the equations, seek hints for solutions, and discuss properties of hypergeometric functions.

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  • One participant presents a system of differential equations involving f(y) and g(y) and requests hints for obtaining a hypergeometric equation.
  • Another participant derives a second-order differential equation from the system but expresses uncertainty about the solution process.
  • Corrections are made regarding the signs in the original equations, leading to a refined second-order differential equation.
  • Some participants discuss the use of power series to express the functions and the resulting recurrence relations, but one notes that this approach yields a zero solution.
  • A participant shares a link to a resource that may contain a solution to the differential equation.
  • One participant claims to have found a solution and seeks properties of hypergeometric functions, referencing a specific formula from Abramowitz's book and asking for additional resources.
  • Another participant suggests taking a derivative of the hypergeometric function to find further properties.

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Participants express varying levels of confidence in their approaches and solutions, with some agreeing on the need for further exploration of hypergeometric functions while others remain uncertain about the correctness of their methods. No consensus is reached on the best approach to solve the initial equations.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made in the equations, the dependence on specific forms of the functions, and the implications of the zero solution found in one approach. The discussion also highlights potential limitations in the mathematical steps taken by participants.

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\lambda f(y)= i b y \frac{\partial f(y)}{\partial y} + \frac{partial g(y)}{y} -\frac{k}{y}g
\lambda g(y)= i b y \frac{\partial g(y)}{\partial y} - \frac{partial f(y)}{y} +\frac{k}{y}f

I tried to get a hypergeometric eq. from these two but couldn't.
Any hints to solve?
Helps would be appreciated!
 
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I somehow got this second oder diff.eq.

<br /> (1-m^2y^2)f_{yy}-2my(i\lambda+m)f_{y}+(\lambda^2-im\lambda-\frac{k(k+1)}{y^2})f=0<br /> [\tex]<br /> <br /> where <br /> <br /> f_{yy}[\tex] is \frac{\partial^2}{\partial y^2}[\tex]&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt; Any ideas to solve this one?&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt; p.s. Latex is not working here or am I typing wrong?
 
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VatanparvaR said:
\lambda f(y)= i b y \frac{\partial f(y)}{\partial y} + \frac{\partial g(y)}{y} -\frac{k}{y}g
\lambda g(y)= i b y \frac{\partial g(y)}{\partial y} - \frac{\partial f(y)}{y} +\frac{k}{y}f

<br /> (1-m^2y^2)f_{yy}-2my(i\lambda+m)f_{y}+(\lambda^2-im\lambda-\frac{k(k+1)}{y^2})f=0<br />

where

f_{yy} \ \mbox{is} \frac{\partial^2}{\partial y^2}

You're using the wrong slash. The closing tag should use this "/" instead.
 
wups, thanks very much.

and another thing, I wrote wrong the above 2 eq.s, I put + instead of minus here

\lambda g(y)= i m y \frac{\partial g(y)}{\partial y} - \frac{\partial f(y)}{y} -\frac{k}{y}f

so it should be:

\lambda f(y)= i m y \frac{\partial f(y)}{\partial y} + \frac{\partial g(y)}{y} -\frac{k}{y}g

\lambda g(y)= i m y \frac{\partial g(y)}{\partial y} - \frac{\partial f(y)}{y} -\frac{k}{y}f



and then we get the above second oder diff.eq.:
(1-m^2y^2)f_{yy}-2my(i\lambda+m)f_{y}+(\lambda^2-im\lambda-\frac{k(k+1)}{y^2})f=0
 
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so any ideas?
 
where
m, \lambda, k are constants.

I am trying to put these two:
<br /> f_1=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}p_ny^{2n}, \ \ \ \ \ \ f_2=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}a_ny^{2n+1}<br />
and check if it is odd or even. At the end I am getting a recurrent eq.


any other ideas?
 
hmm, it gives zero solution.
coefficients are zero in this case :(
 
Ok, I got the solution.


Now I need one thing. From Abramowitz's book I got this one


<br /> F(a, a+\frac{1}{2}, \frac{3}{2}, z^2)=\frac{1}{2}z^{-1}(1-2a)^{-1}[(1+z)^{1-2a}-(1-z)^{1-2a}]<br />

Now I need to find

<br /> F(a, a+\frac{1}{2}, \frac{5}{2}, z^2)<br />


<br /> F(a, a+\frac{1}{2}, \frac{7}{2}, z^2)<br />


and, it would be great if I find

<br /> F(a, a+\frac{1}{2}, n+ \frac{1}{2}, z^2)<br />


are there any books, handbooks, or websites that I could find this guy?
 
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Hallooo?

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VatanparvaR said:
wups, thanks very much.

\lambda f(y)= i m y \frac{\partial f(y)}{\partial y} + \frac{\partial g(y)}{y} -\frac{k}{y}g

\lambda g(y)= i m y \frac{\partial g(y)}{\partial y} - \frac{\partial f(y)}{y} -\frac{k}{y}f

You're missing two partial symbols. Are they supposed to be:

\lambda f(y)= i m y \frac{\partial f(y)}{\partial y} + \frac{\partial g(y)}{\partial y} -\frac{k}{y}g

\lambda g(y)= i m y \frac{\partial g(y)}{\partial y} - \frac{\partial f(y)}{\partial y} -\frac{k}{y}f

?

Also, if f and g only depend on y, then why the partials?
 
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Yeah you are right, there should be two partial symbols.

No problem with partial. As I stated above, I got the solution for this diff. eq.

(1-m^2y^2)f_{yy}-2my(i\lambda+m)f_{y}+(\lambda^2-im\lambda-\frac{k(k+1)}{y^2})f=0

from here
http://eqworld.ipmnet.ru/en/solutions/ode/ode0226.pdf

The solution, as you see, is a Hypergeometric function.

Now I need some properties of the hypergeometric function. I posted it above:

-----------
From Abramowitz's book I got this one


F(a, a+\frac{1}{2}, \frac{3}{2}, z^2)=\frac{1}{2}z^{-1}(1-2a)^{-1}[(1+z)^{1-2a}-(1-z)^{1-2a}]



Now I need to find

F(a, a+\frac{1}{2}, \frac{5}{2}, z^2)

and

F(a, a+\frac{1}{2}, \frac{7}{2}, z^2)


and, it would be great if I find

F(a, a+\frac{1}{2}, n+ \frac{1}{2}, z^2)

are there any books, handbooks, or websites that I could find this guy?


Plz, help!
 
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I guess, I need to take a derivative:

<br /> \frac{d}{dz}F(a, b, c, z^2)=\frac{ab}{2z\ c} F(a+1, b+1, c+1, z^2)<br />
 

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