Partial differential equation containing the Inverse Laplacian Operator

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of solving a specific partial differential equation involving the Inverse Laplacian Operator in the context of a 2D field. Participants are exploring the transformation of the equation into Fourier space and the implications of using the Laplacian operator in this context, as well as the mathematical nuances involved.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how to transform the given differential equation into Fourier space, expressing uncertainty about the typical method of multiplying by an exponential and integrating.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of specifying boundary conditions and functional space when discussing the Inverse Laplacian, suggesting that the notation used in the equation may not be valid under certain conditions.
  • A third participant cites historical references to the technique used in the thesis, noting its application in previous works and the relevance of boundary conditions in the context of the equations discussed.
  • There is a suggestion that if the mathematical details are properly addressed, the transformation into Fourier space could lead to a ratio of functions of k, although the exact process remains unclear to some participants.
  • A later reply indicates a desire for the problem to be framed in a more mathematically accepted manner for further discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the notation used in the equation and the importance of boundary conditions. There is no consensus on how to approach the transformation into Fourier space, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the mathematical treatment.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the dependence of the discussion on boundary conditions and the mathematical formulation of the problem, which may affect the validity of the approaches discussed.

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I want to know how can i solve a partial differential equation containing an inverse laplacian operator numerically in fourier space.
I am trying to reproduce the results of a thesis that is 22 years old and I'm a bit stuck at solving the differential equations. Let's say you have the following equation $$\frac{\partial{\phi}}{\partial{t}}=f(\phi(r))\frac{{\nabla_x}^2{\nabla_y}^2}{{\nabla}^2}g(\phi(r))$$
where ##\phi,g,f## are fields in 2D, ##\nabla_x=\frac{\partial}{\partial{x}}## and ##\nabla^2## is the laplacian operator. The author mentions that this is solved numerically in Fourier space, by using for example the laplacian in Fourier space
$${\nabla_k}^2=\frac{cos(k_x\Delta{x})cos(k_x\Delta{y})+cos(k_x\Delta{x})+cos(k_y\Delta{y})-3}{\Delta{x}^2}$$
but nothing else is mentioned. My first question is how is the initial equation transformed into Fourier space in the first place? I don't see how the typical "multiply by exponential ikr and integrate over r" would work here.
My second question is about the Laplacian in Fourier space. Where did he get that from? Is it something common that can be found in some book?

Thank you.
 
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Celeritas said:
This thesis, along with a couple of papers (I can cite them if you wish), have used this technique to successfully explain experiments
would you please to cite a journal in that these results were published

1) To speak about inverse Laplace is senseless without specification of boundary conditions and functional space
2) in general ##\Delta^{-1}\Delta\ne \Delta\Delta^{-1}## and ##\Delta^{-1}\Delta\ne \mathrm{id}## it is so for the Dirichlet boundary conditions for example; so that the notation ##\frac{\nabla^2\nabla^2}{\nabla^2}## does not make sense
 
It was originally used by Onuki in 1989:
Onuki, Akira. "Long-range interactions through elastic fields in phase-separating solids." Journal of the Physical Society of Japan 58.9 (1989): 3069-3072.
Later on adopted by many authors:
Ohta, T. "Interface dynamics under the elastic field." Journal of Physics: Condensed Matter 2.48 (1990): 9685.
Müller, Judith, and Martin Grant. "Model of surface instabilities induced by stress." Physical Review Letters 82.8 (1999): 1736.

The boundary conditions depend on the physics. For example the last paper has used periodic boundary conditions in x and y. Anyway that's not the point of my question.
Given that you have that equation and all the pesky mathematical details work out, how would you transform it into Fourier space?
I agree with your second point that the order of it is important, but again that is not the point. From what I understood, if they are just replacing ##\nabla^2## with its Fourier space equivalent, and similar terms for ##\nabla_x^2##,##\nabla_y^2##, then you will end up with just a normal ratio of functions of k, but I am not sure.
 
regarding the initial post I could perhaps say something if the problem would be stated in the way accepted in math
 

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