Solving Differential Equation xy'' - y' + 4x^3y = 0 with Self Adjoint Form

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation xy'' - y' + 4x^3y = 0 for x > 0, specifically focusing on converting it to self-adjoint form and finding independent solutions. Participants explore the verification of the Wronskian and Abel's identity in relation to their solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a general solution y = Acos(2x) + Bsin(2x) and questions the selection of independent solutions by setting constants A and B to specific values.
  • Another participant challenges the validity of the proposed solution, arguing that substituting y = Acos(2x) + Bsin(2x) into the original equation does not yield zero, suggesting the solution does not satisfy the differential equation.
  • A later reply discusses the process of transforming the equation into self-adjoint form and expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their working, particularly regarding the assignment of values to constants to find independent solutions.
  • One participant provides a different approach, arriving at a solution involving complex numbers and confirms the form y = Acos(2x) + Bsin(2x) again.
  • Another participant acknowledges a mistake in their earlier substitution, indicating that correcting the substitution allows their solution to work.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the proposed solution and the method of obtaining independent solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correctness of the initial solution and the approach to finding independent solutions.

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There are limitations in the clarity of the transformations and substitutions made by participants, particularly concerning the definitions and steps taken to arrive at the self-adjoint form and the subsequent solutions.

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I have got a general solution for the equation

xy'' - y' + 4x^3y = 0, x > 0

by converting to the normal version of the self adjoint form and solving with an auxiliary equation I have

y = Acos(2x) + Bsin(2x)

It then asks to select two independent solutions and verify the wronskian satisfies Abel's identity.

Can I simply set A = 0, B = 1 for y1 and A = 1, B = 0 for y2

I did this and I got 1 for the wronskian and kx for Abel's which doesn't prove it!

Can anybody tell me where I'm going wrong please
 
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revolution200 said:
I have got a general solution for the equation

xy'' - y' + 4x^3y = 0, x > 0

by converting to the normal version of the self adjoint form and solving with an auxiliary equation I have

y = Acos(2x) + Bsin(2x)

It then asks to select two independent solutions and verify the wronskian satisfies Abel's identity.

Can I simply set A = 0, B = 1 for y1 and A = 1, B = 0 for y2

I did this and I got 1 for the wronskian and kx for Abel's which doesn't prove it!

Can anybody tell me where I'm going wrong please
If y= A cos(2x)+ B sin(2x), y'= -2A sin(2x)+ 2B cos(2x), and y"= -4Acos(2x)- 4Bsin(2x).
Putting those into the equation gives:
xy'' - y' + 4x^3y = -4Axcos(2)- 4Bxsin(2x)+ 2Asin(2x)- 2Bcos(2x)+ 4x^3Acos(2x)+ 4x^3Bsin(2x) which is definitely NOT equal to 0. y= Acos(2x)+ Bsin(2x) does NOT satisfy the equation.

Yes, dividing the equation by 1/x2 puts it into self-adjoint form but what did you do from there?
 
I put it into the normal version of the self adjoint form.

Where d/dx{p(x)dy/dx}+q(x)y=0

t = integral of 1/p(x) = x^3/3

dt/dx = x^2

dy/dx = dy/dt.dt/dx = dy/dt.x^2

etc.

Then solved using the auxiliary equation. It probably is my working that is wrong, however the question I really needed answering is; if I get a solution to the differential equation, to get two linearly independent solutions from the general solution can I simply assign values to the constants.

Thank you for your response
 
I get m=+-sqrt(-4)

=+-2i

y = exp(alpha*x){Acos(beta*x)+Bcos(beta*x)}

where alpha is real and beta is imaginary

therefore

alpha is = 0

beta is = 2

y = Acos(2x)+Bsin(2x)
 
my values were for t not x, I forgot to substitute them back in

y = Acos(2t) + Bsin(2t) where t = x^2/2

it works now

Thanks for your help
 

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