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The discussion revolves around solving the equation (n-1)! = (x^2 + x)((n/2)! (n-2/2)!) for the variable x, where n is a parameter. Participants explore the implications of different values of n and the nature of the solutions to the quadratic equation formed.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation and expresses difficulty in solving for x, suggesting the multiplication of factorials as a potential step.
  • Another participant points out that x can take on various values depending on n, providing specific examples for n=2 and n=4, indicating that x is not uniquely determined.
  • A third participant proposes a formula for x, derived from the quadratic nature of the equation, but notes uncertainty due to personal circumstances affecting their clarity.
  • Some participants emphasize that there are two solutions for x for each value of n, reiterating the quadratic nature of the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the equation leads to a quadratic form with two solutions for each n. However, there is no consensus on the explicit nature of the solutions or the implications of the factorial terms.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the complexity of the factorial terms and their impact on the solutions for x. The dependency on the parameter n introduces variability that remains unaddressed.

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(n-1)! = (x2 + x)( (n/2)! (n-2/2)!
Any idea how to solve this? I tried to solve for x but got stuck. Could you multiply out the factorials?
 
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gnome222 said:
(n-1)! = (x2 + x)( (n/2)! (n-2/2)!
Any idea how to solve this? I tried to solve for x but got stuck. Could you multiply out the factorials?

What exactly are you trying to do?

If this is what you wrote:

[tex](n-1)!=\left(x^2+x\right)\left(\frac{n}{2}\right)!\left(\frac{n-2}{2}\right)![/tex]

Then x can be many values, for example, if we take n=2 then

[tex](2-1)!=(x^2+x)\times1!\times0![/tex]
[tex]x^2+x=1[/tex]

For n=4:

[tex](4-1)!=(x^2+x)\times 2!\times1![/tex]

[tex]x^2+x=3[/tex]

So as you can see, x can take on various values depending on n, and vice versa. If you could show that

[tex]\frac{(n-1)!}{\left(\frac{n}{2}\right)!\left(\frac{n-2}{2}\right)!}[/tex]

was a constant (which it isn't) then x would have an explicit solution (likely two solutions since it's a quadratic).
 
If I have not screwed something up (and since I am recovering from knee surgery and have some pain meds in me, I might have) you can write

[tex]x=-\frac{\sqrt{{\left( \frac{n-2}{2}\right) !}^{2}\,{\left( \frac{n}{2}\right) !}^{2}+4\,\left( \frac{n-2}{2}\right) !\,\left( n-1\right) !\,\left( \frac{n}{2}\right) !}+\left( \frac{n-2}{2}\right) !\,\left( \frac{n}{2}\right) !}{2\,\left( \frac{n-2}{2}\right) !\,\left( \frac{n}{2}\right) !}[/tex]
or
[tex]x=\frac{\sqrt{{\left( \frac{n-2}{2}\right) !}^{2}\,{\left( \frac{n}{2}\right) !}^{2}+4\,\left( \frac{n-2}{2}\right) !\,\left( n-1\right) !\,\left( \frac{n}{2}\right) !}-\left( \frac{n-2}{2}\right) !\,\left( \frac{n}{2}\right) !}{2\,\left( \frac{n-2}{2}\right) !\,\left( \frac{n}{2}\right) !}[/tex]
 
Since x is a solution to a quadratic, there are 2 solutions for each n. Take both square roots to get them.
 
mathman said:
Since x is a solution to a quadratic, there are 2 solutions for each n. Take both square roots to get them.
Both solutions are in my post.
 

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