Solving Equation x³+x²+x-a=0 Analytically

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The discussion revolves around solving the cubic equation x³+x²+x-a=0 analytically. Participants explore various methods beyond the general formula known as Cardano's equation, including the rational root theorem and polynomial division, while also considering the context of their inquiry.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about alternative methods to solve the cubic equation analytically aside from Cardano's formula.
  • One participant suggests rewriting the equation as b=(1-x^4)/(1-x) but expresses uncertainty about its usefulness.
  • Another participant mentions the rational root theorem as a method to find potential rational roots, contingent on the rationality of 'a'.
  • There is a discussion about converting the equation to an integer polynomial to apply the rational root theorem effectively.
  • Participants discuss the process of testing potential rational roots derived from the rational root theorem.
  • One participant seeks confirmation about the existence of a theorem that guarantees a rational root for a polynomial, leading to a detailed explanation of the rational root theorem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the utility of the rational root theorem and the methods discussed, but there is no consensus on the best approach to solve the equation analytically, as multiple methods are proposed and explored.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express curiosity about the problem's origin, questioning whether it is related to schoolwork or personal exploration. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with the methods mentioned.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in analytical methods for solving polynomial equations, particularly those exploring beyond standard formulas in mathematics.

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hi,

i want to solve the equation
x³+x²+x-a=0
analytically
i was wondering if there are other methods than the general formula(Cardano's equation) to do this.

what i already noticed is that one can rewrite this as b=(1-x^4)/(1-x)

but i do not know if this could be helpful, do you have any further ideas?
 
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Gavroy said:
hi,

i want to solve the equation
x³+x²+x-a=0
analytically
i was wondering if there are other methods than the general formula(Cardano's equation) to do this.

what i already noticed is that one can rewrite this as b=(1-x^4)/(1-x)

but i do not know if this could be helpful, do you have any further ideas?

What is the context of the question? Where does it come from? Is it schoolwork?
 
no, i was curious about this, cause we solved this type of equation with Newton's method and i thought maybe one could do this analytically and i know about the general formula to solve third order equation, but maybe there is another way than cardano's equations, especially as one could rewrite this to a different type of equation.
 
Gavroy said:
no, i was curious about this, cause we solved this type of equation with Newton's method and i thought maybe one could do this analytically and i know about the general formula to solve third order equation, but maybe there is another way than cardano's equations, especially as one could rewrite this to a different type of equation.

Nope! The only methods you can really rely on are:

1) rational root theorem, depending if a is rational. Using this method, you can derive all of the possible rational roots and just test each one. If the rational root test fails (all numbers you test != 0) you can conclude there there are no rational roots.

2) cubic formula

3) iterative methods (Newton's,bisection,etc.)

4) If you know one exact root (call it r), you can do polynomial division, dividing the cubic by (x-r) and obtaining a quadratic equation. After this, just use the quadratic formula to obtain the other two roots.
 
the thing with the rational fractions sounds interesting.

my equation is:

0=x+x²+x³-38/27

and the rational number 2/3 is a solution.

but how do i get this by this theorem?
 
Gavroy said:
the thing with the rational fractions sounds interesting.

my equation is:

0=x+x²+x³-38/27

and the rational number 2/3 is a solution.

but how do i get this by this theorem?

First, we have to convert this to an integer polynomial, so we multiply both sides by 27:

0=27x³+27x²+27x-38

We now list all p/q such that p is an integer factor of -38 and q is an integer factor of 27, so we have:

\pm \frac{1}{1}, \pm \frac{1}{3}, \pm \frac{1}{9}, \pm \frac{1}{27}, \pm \frac{2}{1}, \pm \frac{2}{3}, \pm \frac{2}{9}, \pm \frac{2}{27}, \pm \frac{19}{1}, \pm \frac{19}{3}, \pm \frac{19}{9}, \pm \frac{19}{27}, \pm \frac{38}{1}, \pm \frac{38}{3}, \pm \frac{38}{9}, \pm \frac{38}{27}

Now the fun part. You plug each one into the cubic and see if any of them are roots. Out of this list is 2/3, which is a root.
 
okay, this is really what i was looking for, thank you. do you know if there is a theorem that tells me if a polynomial has a rational number that makes it zero?
 
Gavroy said:
okay, this is really what i was looking for, thank you. do you know if there is a theorem that tells me if a polynomial has a rational number that makes it zero?

Yes...the rational root theorem. If the rational root theorem fails, you can conclude that you do not have a rational root.
 
Gavroy said:
okay, this is really what i was looking for, thank you. do you know if there is a theorem that tells me if a polynomial has a rational number that makes it zero?

The Rational Zero theorem : it says

Suppose a polynomial
f(x) = a_{n}x^{n} + a_{n-1}x^{n-1} + ... + a_{2}x^{2} + a_{1}x + a_{0}
where n is natural number where n \geq 1 ,a_{n} ,a_{n-1} ,...,a_{2}, a_{1}, a_{0} are integers.If r is a rational zero then r has the form \pm \frac{p}{q} , such that q is a factor of a_{0} and p is a factor of a_{n}.

you can prove the theorem by assuming \frac{p}{q} is a rational zero in lowest terms of f(x),and then plug it in f(x) where f(\frac{p}{q})=0 , after that multiply both sides of the equation by q^{n} ,finally subtract a_{n}p^{n}from both sides and multiply by (-1) and then make a good use of the fact that if a is a factor of one of the sides of the equation then it must be a factor of the other side. i.e that a_{n}p^{n} is a multiple of p and since the other side is a multiple of q , then a_{n}p^{n} is a multiple of q , but since q and p has no common factors then it follows that a_{n} is a multiple of q , similarly we can show that a_{0} is a multiple of p
 
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