Solving First-Order Linear Equation with Reversed Roles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a first-order linear differential equation, specifically focusing on the implications of reversing the roles of independent and dependent variables. Participants explore methods for solving the equation and the challenges associated with finding an inverse function.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the differential equation dy/dx = 1/(e^(4y) + 2x) and seeks clarification on the hint regarding reversing variable roles.
  • Another participant explains that reversing the variables leads to a new equation dx/dy = 2x + e^(4y), which is linear and easier to solve.
  • A suggestion is made to substitute variables (x = v, y = u) to facilitate solving for du/dv.
  • After solving the equation, one participant finds an implicit solution for x in terms of y and questions how to find the inverse function.
  • Another participant argues that an implicit definition of y is sufficient and questions the necessity of finding the inverse.
  • Further discussion includes a method for solving the quadratic equation derived from the implicit solution.
  • Participants discuss the specific methods used, noting that a linear method was employed to solve the differential equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of reversing the variables to simplify the equation, but there is some disagreement regarding the necessity of finding the inverse function of the solution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the need for specific methods (linear vs. separable) in solving the differential equation, but the discussion does not resolve the implications of these methods on the overall solution.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in differential equations, particularly first-order linear equations, and those exploring variable substitution methods may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi,

I have a differential equation that I just can't seem to solve. Now here's the deal: I'm sure there are advanced methods that would easily solve this equation, but the equation is in the chapter on First-Oder Linear Equations, so it shouldn't be anything fancy. There's even a hint: it says that "the roles of the independent and dependent variables may be reversed." What is that supposed to mean?

I tried getting the solution with Mathematica first, and then working backwards, but to no avail. I don't even know where to start.

Here's the equation:

dy/dx = 1/(e^(4y) + 2x)

Any pointers? Thanks!
 
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With first order differential equations, which variable is a function of the other is not really important. That particular equation is given with y a function of x and is very badly non-linear. But if you "flip it over", it becomes
\frac{dx}{dy}= 2x+ e^{4y}
which is a linear equation that is relatively easy to solve for x as a function of y. That's what they mean by "the roles of the independent and dependent variables may be reversed."
 


Just put x=v & y=u & solve for du/dv.
 


@HallsosIvy: Thanks, that makes sense. I solved the resulting DE and get

x = 1/2 * e^(4y) + C*e^(2y)

But how do I find the inverse function of that?
 


Do you have any reason to want to? That is a perfectly good implicit definition of y.
 


x = 1/2 * e^(4y) + C*e^(2y)
But how do I find the inverse function of that?
Let t=e^(2y)
x = (1/2)*t² +C*t
Solve for t
Then y = (1/2)*ln(t)
In fact, ln(abs(t))
 


Your latter "in fact" comment is not strictly necessary, JJ, since t is, by def.>0
 


@Awelex
Which method did you use to solve this equation?
 


sgtkt said:
@Awelex
Which method did you use to solve this equation?
x = (1/2)*t² +C*t
(1/2)t²+Ct-x =0
I suppose that you know how to solve a*X²+b*X+c=0 for X
a=1/2 ; b=C : c=-x and t=X
 
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I mean which method, linear or separable
 
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sgtkt said:
I mean which method, linear or separable

Linear method to solve dx/dy -2x = exp(4y) because it is a linear ODE
Then quadratic resoltion to inverse the x(y) function.
 
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Thankyou
 

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