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The discussion revolves around a polynomial equation P(x) defined as P(x)=(x-b)^7Q(x) and its properties, particularly focusing on the implications of (x-1)^7 being a factor of P(x). Participants are tasked with showing that P(b)=P'(b)=0 and subsequently finding the values of a and b in a specific polynomial expression.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the implications of the factor (x-1)^7, questioning how to apply the conditions P(1)=0 and P'(1)=0 to derive simultaneous equations for a and b. There is discussion on substituting values into the polynomial to find these equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress by substituting values into the polynomial to derive expressions for P(1) and P'(1), leading to simultaneous equations. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final values of a and b, and the discussion remains open for further exploration.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, particularly the requirement to show certain properties of the polynomial and the implications of the factorization. There is an emphasis on deriving relationships between a and b without providing direct solutions.

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Homework Statement


A polynomial [tex]P(x)=(x-b)^7Q(x)[/tex]
a) Show that [tex]P(b)=P ' (b)=0[/tex]
b) Hence find a and b, if [tex](x-1)^7[/tex] is a factor of: [tex]P(x)=x^7+3x^6+ax^5+x^4+3x^3+bx^2-x-1[/tex]

Homework Equations


If [tex]P(x)=Q(x)R(x)[/tex]
Then [tex]P ' (x)=Q ' (x)R(x)+Q(x)R ' (x)[/tex]

I can't think of anything for the factoring aspect of the question.

The Attempt at a Solution


For a)
[tex]P(b)=(b-b)^7Q(b)=0[/tex]
[tex]P ' (x)=7(x-b)^6Q(x)+(x-b)^7Q'(x)[/tex]
[tex]P'(b)=7(b-b)^6Q(b)+(b-b)^7Q'(b)=0[/tex]

But for b) I have no idea how to apply anything from a) to answer the question. Any ideas?
 
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Well if [itex](x-1)^7[/itex] is a factor, then you can write P(x) in the form: [itex]P(x)=(x-1)^7Q(x)[/itex]...So P(1)=__? and P'(1)=___?

But what are P(1) and P'(1) for [itex]P(x)=x^7+3x^6+ax^5+x^4+3x^3+bx^2-x-1[/itex]?:wink:
 


gabbagabbahey said:
Well if [itex](x-1)^7[/itex] is a factor, then you can write P(x) in the form: [itex]P(x)=(x-1)^7Q(x)[/itex]...So P(1)=__? and P'(1)=___?

But what are P(1) and P'(1) for [itex]P(x)=x^7+3x^6+ax^5+x^4+3x^3+bx^2-x-1[/itex]?:wink:

From P(1) and P'(1) you will get a simultaneous equation whereby a+b=? and 5a+2b=?
:wink:
 


Ahh since [tex]P(1)=P'(1)=0[/tex] and by finding [tex]P(1)=6+a+b[/tex] and [tex]P'(1)=37+5a+2b[/tex] from substituting into the equation, I find a and b through simultaneous equations. Thus, [tex]a=-8\frac{1}{3},b=2\frac{1}{3}[/tex]
I really hope I can pick these ideas up in the test...
 

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