Solving for NO2 in Nitric Acid Production Equation | Stoichiometry Assistance

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the stoichiometry of nitric acid production, specifically how to calculate the grams of NO2 required to produce a given mass of HNO3 based on a chemical equation. Participants explore different methods and approaches to solving the problem, including the use of molar masses and stoichiometric coefficients.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation method for determining the grams of NO2 needed, expressing confusion about the use of molar masses and stoichiometric coefficients.
  • Another participant corrects the molar masses provided, stating that the molar mass of HNO3 is 63 g/mol and NO2 is 46 g/mol, and explains a step-by-step method for the calculation involving conversion to moles and applying stoichiometric coefficients.
  • A later reply acknowledges the correction and expresses appreciation for the alternative method, noting it feels more intuitive compared to the original approach.
  • There is a discussion about the teaching methods for stoichiometry, with one participant questioning why certain methods are not more widely taught and referencing their own educational experiences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the final result of 8.21 g of NO2, but there is disagreement regarding the initial molar masses and the methods used to arrive at the solution. The discussion reflects differing views on teaching approaches and the clarity of stoichiometric calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the understanding of how to properly apply stoichiometric coefficients and molar masses in calculations, as well as potential misunderstandings about the rationale behind different methods of teaching stoichiometry.

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Homework Statement



Nitric Acid is produced via the following equation:

3NO_2 + H_2O \rightarrow 2HNO_3 + NO

How many grams of NO_2 are required to produce 7.50 grams of HNO_3?

Homework Equations



HNO_3 = 138 amu
NO_2 = 126 amu

The Attempt at a Solution



I think I have a solution to this, but formulating these equations does not click in my head properly. I see other people do it over and over, but it hasn't clicked yet.

7.50g HNO_3 * \frac{138g NO_3}{126g HNO_3}=8.21g NO_2

I'm getting mixed up by thinking that this may be a shortcut. Well actually, I'm mixed up on a lot of it, like why can you just divide \frac{138g NO_3}{126g HNO_3}? I can see how it works nicely and how handy it is, but it's not intuitive to me yet so I'm having a hard time processing it.

Also, should I be adding Moles to the equation above, like this

7.50g HNO_3 * \frac{138g NO_3}{1 Mol NO_3}*\frac{1 Mol HNO_3}{126g HNO_3} =8.21g NO_2

and then perform the arithmetic? However, if I do it that way I cannot cross out some of the components properly.

Any advice would be appreciated. I don't know why but Chemistry isn't clicking the way I was hoping it would. I'm not having nearly this much trouble in my calc class.
 
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Your final result is correct (8.21 g it is), but this:

MacLaddy said:
HNO_3 = 138 amu

NO_2 = 126 amu

is incorrect.

Molar mass of HNO3 is 63 g/mol, molar mass of NO2 is 46 g/mol. Masses that you listed are multiplied by the stoichiometric coefficients which you shouldn't do. Stoichiometric coefficients are another conversion factor:

7.50g HNO_3 = 7.50 g HNO_3 \frac {1 mol HNO_3}{63 g HNO_3} \times \frac {3 moles NO_2} {2 moles HNO_3} \times \frac {46 g NO_2}{1 mol NO_2} = 8.21 g NO_2

First you convert 7.50 g HNO3 to number of moles, then you use stoichiometric coefficients to calculate number of moles of NO2, then you convert moles of NO2 to its mass.

What you did is similar to the method described here: http://www.chembuddy.com/?left=balancing-stoichiometry&right=ratio-proportions
 
Thank you, Borek.

I knew I had made some shortcut that I wasn't accounting for, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. I appreciate the assistance.

I also appreciate the link. The method shown there makes much more sense to me than this way of doing it. In fact, this is how I was beginning to figure things out on my own, but all resources that I could locate showed how to do it the way listed in this problem.

I wonder why that method isn't more widely taught? I'll have to digest it for a while, but it does seem more intuitive.

Thanks again,
Mac
 
MacLaddy said:
I wonder why that method isn't more widely taught?

No idea. That's the way I was taught to do stoichiometry problems back in seventies in my neck of the woods. Few years ago I asked American chemistry teachers for comments on the content of the page and I was told that students have no idea why they should use "different molar masses" for different reactions. It is a misunderstanding of the method and I don't buy it.

Glad that you find it intuitive.
 

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